Crash in IV

amitrandive

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#11
brother, I am not sure, but one way of doing that might be to check the IV Percentile Values over past time periods of different durations. If the IV is among the Top Percentile, then that might be inflated and vice verse. Although I am myself not completely sure about this approach, maybe if other members post their views about the same, then we can understand it better.

And secondly, I also want to know, if it is possible for some big market operators to somehow Fake or Manipulate the IV Value for any particular counter, according to his own trading game plan, such that his open positions benefit from that kind of change in IV.

I will try to explain it with an example. Suppose some real big player has created positions worth Rs 100 crore in the Options Segment of Infy. Now, suppose that his option position would benefit greatly if there is a big jump in Infy IV over next 2-3 days. So, my question is that, is it possible for this guy to somehow Manipulate the IV of Infy in order to increase it ? Can he play some trick in the various option strikes of Infy, in such a manner, which would create a spike in the IV ? Is it possible at all or not ? Please share your views about such a hypothetical scenario.

We can look at it from the opposite side as well. If some big operator wants to crash the IV of Infy for his benefit, then can he do that in some way ? Is it possible ? If yes, then how ?


Thanks a lot
We don't want to understand how to crash an IV,all we would want is to understand if an IV is inflated or not.

I think that can be done by checking the daily IV on a chart and superimposing some moving average on top of that chart.
 

jagankris

Well-Known Member
#12
We don't want to understand how to crash an IV,all we would want is to understand if an IV is inflated or not.

I think that can be done by checking the daily IV on a chart and superimposing some moving average on top of that chart.
Before some big events IV's are high.
Just immediately when the news is out immediately there is huge gap and which follow immediate profit bookings of the options/selling which results in sudden fall of IV.Usually the OTM's suffer's fast if not profits taken quickly immediately after the markets open.
 
#13
brother, I am not sure, but one way of doing that might be to check the IV Percentile Values over past time periods of different durations. If the IV is among the Top Percentile, then that might be inflated and vice verse. Although I am myself not completely sure about this approach, maybe if other members post their views about the same, then we can understand it better.

And secondly, I also want to know, if it is possible for some big market operators to somehow Fake or Manipulate the IV Value for any particular counter, according to his own trading game plan, such that his open positions benefit from that kind of change in IV.

I will try to explain it with an example. Suppose some real big player has created positions worth Rs 100 crore in the Options Segment of Infy. Now, suppose that his option position would benefit greatly if there is a big jump in Infy IV over next 2-3 days. So, my question is that, is it possible for this guy to somehow Manipulate the IV of Infy in order to increase it ? Can he play some trick in the various option strikes of Infy, in such a manner, which would create a spike in the IV ? Is it possible at all or not ? Please share your views about such a hypothetical scenario.

We can look at it from the opposite side as well. If some big operator wants to crash the IV of Infy for his benefit, then can he do that in some way ? Is it possible ? If yes, then how ?


Thanks a lot
Easily values can be manipulated and for that not such big sum required- for some scrips. Lots of scrips there where total traded qty of options will be less than 1000. For those illiquid scrips, price manipulation is not big deal. Even for middle sized FNO stocks it can be done for OTM strikes. Just put a sell price high. During expiry period you will see many examples.
 

TradeOptions

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#14
Easily values can be manipulated and for that not such big sum required- for some scrips. Lots of scrips there where total traded qty of options will be less than 1000. For those illiquid scrips, price manipulation is not big deal. Even for middle sized FNO stocks it can be done for OTM strikes. Just put a sell price high. During expiry period you will see many examples.
Thank you for the confirmation poniol brother. I also have similar views in this regards. Most stock options are quite illiquid in the Indian Market. Therefor it would be much easier to manipulate them compared with those counters which have got good liquidity.

Thanks and regards
 

TradeOptions

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#18
Does this mean option sellers were successful ?
amit bhai, on the Calls side, the option sellers made big money. But since the Infy spot went down around 4 %, therefor the Puts have gained, therefor the put sellers did not make money.

Update of Infy Options at EOD -




Thanks and regards
 

amitrandive

Well-Known Member
#19
amit bhai, on the Calls side, the option sellers made big money. But since the Infy spot went down around 4 %, therefor the Puts have gained, therefor the put sellers did not make money.

Update of Infy Options at EOD -




Thanks and regards
So what strategy should have been employed before Infy result ?
Buying Naked puts and selling calls ?
What is that strategy called ?
 
#20
So what strategy should have been employed before Infy result ?

Buying Naked puts and selling calls ?

What is that strategy called ?
Hi

The name is: SHORT SYNTHETIC FUTURE/S for what you asked for.

http://www.danielstrading.com/education/futures-options-strategy-guide/short-synthetic-futures/

http://www.futuresfacts.com/synthetic-short-futures-split-2

But kindly understand me the right way: This is only the answer to your question about what that strategy is called. But this does not mean that this IS the right strategy to choose for such events. I do not trade such events by planing, so I am out here.

Take care / Dan :)
 
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