Long Date Nifty options Broker

#1
Hi, Seems like ICICIDirect does NOT allow trading in long dated Nifty options.
Anything expiring Dec 2011 is considered to "High Risk & Illiquid" by ICICI Risk management team, and so they have disabled trading in those Nifty options expiring 6 months later (Dec-2011).
Interestingly, this is not enabled even for ATS (Active Trader Service) Customers.

What is worse is that they have completely disabled these long dated Nifty options. It was understood if they had disabled only Shorting, and atleast enable taking long positions in such european options, but they have disabled everything.

Can fellow traders please share some info about any other good broker offering long dated Nifty options trading with nominal brokerage charges?

Thanks,
S
 
#2
Hi, Seems like ICICIDirect does NOT allow trading in long dated Nifty options.
Anything expiring Dec 2011 is considered to "High Risk & Illiquid" by ICICI Risk management team, and so they have disabled trading in those Nifty options expiring 6 months later (Dec-2011).
Interestingly, this is not enabled even for ATS (Active Trader Service) Customers.

What is worse is that they have completely disabled these long dated Nifty options. It was understood if they had disabled only Shorting, and atleast enable taking long positions in such european options, but they have disabled everything.

Can fellow traders please share some info about any other good broker offering long dated Nifty options trading with nominal brokerage charges?

Thanks,
S
I've been trading options with Reliance Money. They also permit transactions in options of near two months only. For example, in July 2011, you'll be permitted to trade only in July and August options. You cannot trade in September or further months' options.

However, Zerodha is permitting all its clients to trade in options of any month. Their policy is to permit trade in all options presently being traded on NSE/NFO.
 

SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
#3
First thing to understand is that a broker is an intermediary providing a platform to Buy & Sell whatever is available in the market place (Exchanges).

Therefore a Broker cannot block any contracts because of their whims & fancy as long as You as client have the necessary money to fulfill the contractual obligation & requirements.

Whichever broker blocks an available contract...take them to task send out an email to SEBI & the concerned exchange


SG
 
#4
First thing to understand is that a broker is an intermediary providing a platform to Buy & Sell whatever is available in the market place (Exchanges).

Therefore a Broker cannot block any contracts because of their whims & fancy as long as You as client have the necessary money to fulfill the contractual obligation & requirements.

Whichever broker blocks an available contract...take them to task send out an email to SEBI & the concerned exchange


SG
What you've stated should be the real position. But, unfortunately, in practice, it is not happening. The NSE has itself given facility to Brokers in the trading software to block trading of certain securities. Therefore, when somebody tries to trade in those securities, your order is rejected by the exchange with the message something like this "Trading of this security is blocked by your broker" (the actual language may be slightly different since I tried it and saw this language a few months back).

For example, a few months back, after devising an option strategy for third month options (after doing painstaking research and back-testing for about one full year's data), when I tried to place orders for selling the third month options (Reliance Money was my broker), my orders were continuously rejected with above message. Then I tried to buy the same third month option just to check whether the problem was with selling options; however, the same problem persisted and buy orders were also rejected. Thereafter, I spoke to Reliance people who informed me that they do not permit trading in third month options as a risk management measure since the volumes are thin. Even in Nifty where in fact the volumes are not so thin in third month options, the Reliance Money people refused to allow trading. Thereafter, I did not pursue the matter further. I didn't think of making a complaint with NSE since I felt that the NSE has itself given facility to brokers to block certain securities and moreover, I felt that I can try some other strategies as that was not the only strategy that can be successful.

But, I fully agree with your statement that the brokers should be made to allow trading in all listed options provided the client is willing to make payment for the margin or the purchase price, as the case may be. The ground of less liquidity does not make sense. It is like a chicken and egg story. Because there is (presumed to be) less liquidity in third and farther months' options, so you don't allow trading which further reduces the chances of increasing the liquidity. And, if you don't allow trading, how will the volumes grow which again means that you'll further restrict trading saying that the volumes are low. Why then have these far months' options in the first place, if the trading is to be restricted? How can trading volumes increase with such restrictions? It is for NSE to take a call which has listed such far months' options (I hope it is for trading and not for restricting trading as per sweet will of brokers). The situation in India is unlike US markets where you've very decent volumes in the farthest months' (or years', in fact) options of even several individual stocks. In India, we cannot have good volumes even in Nifty options for far months. One reason is this restriction business.

In fact, I fail to understand how risk management comes in the way if the client is willing to pay the margin for short sale or the purchase price for buying options, as the case may be? And, why did NSE permit listing of such options if there were issues of risk management? On the other hand, in fact, options are supposed to be instruments of managing risk in your underlying securities. Moreover, if they so want, they can have sufficient margins. But, why block trading if a client is interested?

Luckily, there are brokers who understand the things. For example, Zerodha is allowing trading in all listed options.
 
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SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
#5
Problem also lies with clients whenever they encounter such blockage of contracts they just leave it... and do nothing....

If I encounter.... any such blockage I immediately call the broker..... and he makes it available.... of course...by now they know it is not wise to argue with me...becuase the first time they tried giving me some story...for which i took them to the dry cleaners...which I am sure they will not forget....

recently...some months back...think it was in February I had written 3 Lots of 6200 PE JUNE series...anyways after I my first encounter...I never find anything blocked...... not even contracts that are in Market Wide Ban for me to trade Intraday....and one such contract is ABGSHIP...which has been in ban from the first day of this series...I have been trading it Intraday...every other day...or whenever I see some opportunity...

Moreover ...for me it is simple if there is a Bid & Ask on a contract then I should be allowed to also to trade...as simple as that...


SG
 
#6
Hi Savant,

Although off the topic but just wanted to check with you if the option writer has to pay STT or any other additional taxes if the written options end in ITM at expiry. I know that the option buyer has to pay the STT and other charges if they end ITM at the expiry.

Thanks a lot in advance
 

SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
#7
Hi WK,

Frankly, I haven't looked at the options contract note for more than 4 years now..... I have never really been bothered by Brokerage, Taxes & etc.. after checking the contract notes only in the first month of a new trading account to see if everything is being levied as per agreed terms & current taxes as notified by the government.....

This much I know...with the exception of STT & Service Tax on Brokerage...all other stuff levied by a broker such as Turnover Tax, Stamp Duty & Other Charges... can all be done away by a broker provided one is a relatively big client with a healthy turnover.


SG

Hi Savant,

Although off the topic but just wanted to check with you if the option writer has to pay STT or any other additional taxes if the written options end in ITM at expiry. I know that the option buyer has to pay the STT and other charges if they end ITM at the expiry.

Thanks a lot in advance
 

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