How stock buyers can benefit with Options?

#1
How even Novices Can you Stock Options?


This is a general commentary on how- even if you just are an infrequent trader in stocks can benefit from options.

Let us assume you have analyzed and identified a group of 10 stocks in a sector. You can use your own stock choices and follow along.

Let us assume that out of the 10 you have say 5 that are absolutely overvalued ( but known names) and perhaps 3 that you feel are priced fairly.

The question is how can you use options to benefit?

CASE 1 High fliers you like but think the stocks are overpriced

Let us first consider the 5 High Fliers that tend to move inexplicably ( while you think the stock is really costly)

First Get a good feel for Support and Resistance on these stocks. I am assuming a bull market ( if it is a bear market or down trend you would use calls)
I prefer to use candle charts- as frankly they are the best for entry and exit decisions.

The idea now is to sell puts- at or below the support levels ( which basically means that you have an intention to own the stock if they were cheaper). I would prefer a 1 month time frame- and would not extend this to the next month.

The idea is if the stock holds the support- then you keep the premium ( well if you really do not want to buy the stock because it is overpriced- then why not make some money!)
Sure this takes margin etc- but it is fairly conservative. And for those of you who think selling puts is a dangerous idea let me make it clear from a risk perspective it is the same as Covered calls- which are somehow interpreted as being safe! Go ahead do your analysis and you will find out.

Now let us say you were exercised and you now got into the stock. Well let us understand this was a stock you would have wanted to buy- other than the high price part! Now you got it for a little less. You now can revisit the Support and resistance levels and sell calls- and now you have a covered call position- or if you have the capacity you can sell more puts at a lower strike- since the fundamental issue is that you like the stock and its prospects but you wanted the price basis to be lower. This is nothing but dollar ( or Rupee) Cost averaging- which all the guys on TV tout!

Case 2 Stocks you want to add and are convinced that they are reasonably priced.
This is something I would always suggest to anyone who wants to buy stock /shares in the normal way.

Let us do the same thing again- find support and resistance. Sell puts at the support and wait. If you dont get exercised you get premium and if you do get exercised you end up with the stock you wanted- but at a lower price ( because you now have the premium)


Now Some important things when you deal with options

1. DONT- please dont- buy options blindly. That is a fundamental mistake you need to avoid- it is not just the price of the option but there are underlying parameters that are invisible- that are absolutely critical ( Implied Volatility and Greek).
2. Historical volatilities can be calculated ( or if you trust the NSE data- get it from there)
3. Implied Volatilities can be computed by using the standard options calculators. Please use American Style exercise version.
4. YOU HAVE TO KNOW the option Greeks and should have an idea of your Position Greeks. Once you know that you will precisely be able to analyze what ifs
5. Remember if there is one thing that will kill you it is implied volatility. It either inflates or deflates the price- simply put you will end buying costlier options or selling Cheaper options- if the volatility come back to Normal- your calculations on breakeven/profit will be vastly altered.
6. It is frustrating not to have this data online even if it is a paid service- this is a massive disservice to the common investor.
7. The beauty of options is if used correctly- you can make money in an up, down or a sideways market. Alternatively since the stock futures market is robust- you can effectively construct equivalent positions- without every buying shares.
8. One more nuance point- dont make a determination that an option is costly or cheap just comparing it to historical volatility- what is very critical to make this judgement is to find out the PRECENTILE level of Implied volatility in comparision to historical volatilty. This is important when you are trading volatility skews. But that is for another day!

I made some progress on collecting date- but it will not be real time. Atleast I have something to go by rather than trade blindly. Another thing for pricing- use the MIBOR rate and please be careful about dividends- almost all the big names give out dividends- and if these are high- there are interesting ways you can make money right around the book closure time. Again- there are so many ways. but this means we all need to spread the knowledge- and knowledge is power.
 
#2
One of the item to be used as input in option pricing formula is the risk free interest.

What is the correct rate to be used in India i.e 6% or 10% etc. In practice what is the rate generally used in India by big Option traders/Institutions etc.
 

Linus

Active Member
#3
Hi Srikanth,

Oh, Good to see you around, I thought you were gone. Please enable your PM. You may throw some light upon using Bollinger bands or ATR for trading Options. I use them a lot.

Bye,

ss :cool:
 
#4
Sunil

ANY indicators you use- please look for confirmations- some of them are lagging indicators and the others give signals too early- so you have to apply this to your specific stock- trust me you cant use it blindly- if you want to be correctly using them.

THE BIG difference- and I stress this as it is a fundamental point- Using ANY Technical indicators you can get your entry and exit points for Stocks- BUT you should not do that for options.

Pricing of options is dynamic - there are lot of variables- not just the Price of the Underlying. The most important aspect- and even veterans make this mistake- is Implied Volatility- trust me if you dont do that you will not have the results you expect. Not just IV but you need to have a fair idea of what the historical volatility is. Lastly the Greeks.


Compare Options to driving a Car with a beautiful dash board full of dials- one for eahcthe important ones of IV, And of course the greeks. IF you do not have that kind of visual picture- then dont trade options. You do not get this information by just looking at the price of the option- AND THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL difference between options trading and just trading stocks- there is a lot of hidden stuff you need to be aware of.

It frustrated me no end when people talk about buying options- based on guesses for where they think the Stock ( or Index) will be- it is fine to establish resistance and support levels- but when you do buy options- you will have to pay attention to what I mentioned in the above para- else you are just gambling. Some of the guys just seem to post trades with little discussion on IV's, Deltas etc- and I have feeling that they are just showing off. This is a disservice to those who are genuinely interested.
 

Niranjanam

Well-Known Member
#5
Hi Srikanth

Many members of this forum will be interested to learn option trading.We will be greatful if you can spare a little time to teach us through this thread. Please do start from the basics.
Kindly suggest a good book on options.

Niranjanam
 

kkseal

Well-Known Member
#6
Excellent thread started. Srikanth's explanations are very lucid. Hope this thread becomes another of the great ones at Traderji.

Regards,
Kalyan.
 

swagat86

Active Member
#7
Sunil

ANY indicators you use- please look for confirmations- some of them are lagging indicators and the others give signals too early- so you have to apply this to your specific stock- trust me you cant use it blindly- if you want to be correctly using them.

THE BIG difference- and I stress this as it is a fundamental point- Using ANY Technical indicators you can get your entry and exit points for Stocks- BUT you should not do that for options.

Pricing of options is dynamic - there are lot of variables- not just the Price of the Underlying. The most important aspect- and even veterans make this mistake- is Implied Volatility- trust me if you dont do that you will not have the results you expect. Not just IV but you need to have a fair idea of what the historical volatility is. Lastly the Greeks.


Compare Options to driving a Car with a beautiful dash board full of dials- one for eahcthe important ones of IV, And of course the greeks. IF you do not have that kind of visual picture- then dont trade options. You do not get this information by just looking at the price of the option- AND THAT IS A FUNDAMENTAL difference between options trading and just trading stocks- there is a lot of hidden stuff you need to be aware of.

It frustrated me no end when people talk about buying options- based on guesses for where they think the Stock ( or Index) will be- it is fine to establish resistance and support levels- but when you do buy options- you will have to pay attention to what I mentioned in the above para- else you are just gambling. Some of the guys just seem to post trades with little discussion on IV's, Deltas etc- and I have feeling that they are just showing off. This is a disservice to those who are genuinely interested.

hi Srikanth,


even im highly interested in options. PLs start a thread on basics of IV and option greeks. It wud be our pleasure to get a chance to learn from us.


Thanks
 
#8
Appreciate the interest. I will be more than happy to post on IV's and Greeks- but please do understand that in India it is not that easy to get good data on IV ( vs Historical Volatility), Greeks etc. There is some software that is free- I think something like Options Oracle- but I will be happy to start this thread.

There are very market specific things in India- which are not normal. And you guys have to point out any issues that I am not fully aware of.

I would suggest that you stick to assets that are liquid- for best results
 

Linus

Active Member
#9
Hi Srikanth,

Thanks! Yes, I have gone through that stage and I guess I know what to use when! ;)

Anyway, so nice to see somebody who talks about IV/SV/HV, but sadly, trading Options here in India is in an embryotic stage and as you know there is no data for anything.

We all here would like to see a seperate thread on Options from you.

Thanks,

ss :)
 
#10
Hi Srikanth

Many members of this forum will be interested to learn option trading.We will be greatful if you can spare a little time to teach us through this thread. Please do start from the basics.
Kindly suggest a good book on options.

Niranjanam
dear srikanth

me too......

have a nice day
JB
 

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