Non Ferrous metas : Cu Al Pb Sn Zn Ni

gkpc

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#1
Can anyone guide on trading the non ferrous metals on MCX :

Copper
Aluminium
Lead
Tin
Zinc
Nickel

Is there anything like inventory as in Crude?
What is optimum profit one should aim at in day trading these?
Anyone trading any of these metals? What is experience like?
What system/strategy is good?
What TF is good for intraday trades?

Thanks
-Gautam
 

ashu1234

Well-Known Member
#2
Can anyone guide on trading the non ferrous metals on MCX :

Copper
Aluminium
Lead
Tin
Zinc
Nickel

Is there anything like inventory as in Crude?
What is optimum profit one should aim at in day trading these?
Anyone trading any of these metals? What is experience like?
What system/strategy is good?
What TF is good for intraday trades?

Thanks
-Gautam
Non ferrous metals are good for intraday like lead and zinc, copper is good for positional(just personal view) yes there are inventories for all the non ferrous metals, you can find them at kitcometals.com.
My experience is good, for intraday in metal minis one can easily make good money in 15-20 paise move which is good and achievable.
Inventory data comes daily in afternoon at London open, LME data you can get on terminal, most of the vendors/brokers give that straight on terminal, but it doesnt impact much for intraday but will surely help you for positional.
Check contract specification and with 20-40K in account you can trade positional also with ease.
All the best.
 

gkpc

Well-Known Member
#3
Non ferrous metals are good for intraday like lead and zinc, copper is good for positional(just personal view) yes there are inventories for all the non ferrous metals, you can find them at kitcometals.com.
My experience is good, for intraday in metal minis one can easily make good money in 15-20 paise move which is good and achievable.
Inventory data comes daily in afternoon at London open, LME data you can get on terminal, most of the vendors/brokers give that straight on terminal, but it doesnt impact much for intraday but will surely help you for positional.
Check contract specification and with 20-40K in account you can trade positional also with ease.
All the best.
Thanks for your detailed input ashu! :thumb:
For 15 to 20p profit in mini lots, what is your favourite strategy: MA cross, BB as being done by rh6996 in crude or anything else.
What Time frame suits best for this purpose ashu ?
Thanks again for your reply.
 

ashu1234

Well-Known Member
#4
Thanks for your detailed input ashu! :thumb:
For 15 to 20p profit in mini lots, what is your favourite strategy: MA cross, BB as being done by rh6996 in crude or anything else.
What Time frame suits best for this purpose ashu ?
Thanks again for your reply.
Hi,
honestly speaking for 15-20 paise in base metal doesn't require much, pull out the chart and you will see lead and zinc trading in 15-25 points all the time.
I mostly use price action, just follow the range, pick some good support or resistance and just trade. If you spend enough screen time and try to figure out which is the best time as per your method, i'm sure you'll be able to do that.

btw i saw you were trying a system based on metastock, my personal advice is dont look for ready made system, it will make you machine into chasing price. No system is perfect, you need to fine tune it. Some will work in particular market conditions and will fail when conditions change.

Instead of exploring systems, better spend time on learning about price action and identifying market structure, which is range bound, uptrend and down trend, and learn about volatility. Once you understand all these, you'll be able to apply any system according to your trading style.
All the best.
 

rh6996

Well-Known Member
#6
Hi,
honestly speaking for 15-20 paise in base metal doesn't require much, pull out the chart and you will see lead and zinc trading in 15-25 points all the time.
I mostly use price action, just follow the range, pick some good support or resistance and just trade. If you spend enough screen time and try to figure out which is the best time as per your method, i'm sure you'll be able to do that.

btw i saw you were trying a system based on metastock, my personal advice is dont look for ready made system, it will make you machine into chasing price. No system is perfect, you need to fine tune it. Some will work in particular market conditions and will fail when conditions change.

Instead of exploring systems, better spend time on learning about price action and identifying market structure, which is range bound, uptrend and down trend, and learn about volatility. Once you understand all these, you'll be able to apply any system according to your trading style.
All the best.
Do we have tradable volume in mini contracts of Lead etc? Are you trading them presently Ashu? Please share your experience.
 

ashu1234

Well-Known Member
#7
Do we have tradable volume in mini contracts of Lead etc? Are you trading them presently Ashu? Please share your experience.
Yer RH, current month is perfectly tradable, zinc is trending these days, lead and aluminium are a bit slow - good for late entry if you see good trend in other metals they follow the suit. and copper is ever green. Nickel i avoid trading for no particular reason. Personally I feel 200 rs in Zinc or Lead(which is 20 paise) is easier then 200rs(20 points in crude mini) of crude. Also net value is less, so one will be charged less brokerage then crude, only thing is that metals have their own move, not trending and reacting to news everytime. But if you have eyes for rangebound movements it will surely suit you.
 

ashu1234

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#8
And yes I trade them, but not regularly. But have seen many my earlier friends trade it. It gives good 30-70 paise move when it break pivots, I mean visual pivots, you just need to be active and ready to trade that. Try it and let me know. Its like you keep entry and exit order punched in, and wait for the trade to get over in jiffy when it moves.
 

umeshmandal

Well-Known Member
#9
Yer RH, current month is perfectly tradable, zinc is trending these days, lead and aluminium are a bit slow - good for late entry if you see good trend in other metals they follow the suit. and copper is ever green. Nickel i avoid trading for no particular reason. Personally I feel 200 rs in Zinc or Lead(which is 20 paise) is easier then 200rs(20 points in crude mini) of crude. Also net value is less, so one will be charged less brokerage then crude, only thing is that metals have their own move, not trending and reacting to news everytime. But if you have eyes for rangebound movements it will surely suit you.
Just a rough idea : What are total expenses of brokerage CTT etc of a discount brokerage? If I buy Lead mini at 116 and sell it at 116.20, what is my net profit?
Maybe a very basic question but do reply or guide me to some link on a particular page to get details. Have been looking at Crude charts for some time and here you are suggesting that non ferrous metals might be a better option for small profits! Are the volumes enough to gradually reach at a trade quantity of 20 lots without much impact cost??
 

ashu1234

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#10
Check brokerage calculator here:
https://zerodha.com/brokerage-calculator

I guess RH has already given link to this before.
With Zerodha your net point to break even is .05 paise, which is basically equal to 1 tick
So you'll make 150 net if you trade for 20 paise.

Well metals are different thing but it might suit to some as per their trading style. If you spend enough trading time and screen time on metals target of 200 rs is comparatively easy as compared to crude's 20 points. But if you are used to trade crude you'll find it odd to see base metals movement, they linger all the day, and not that much volatile, but when they move they make sudden jump(you can see it on charts yourself). It depends on you which suits you better, but investment wise they are cheaper and will be low on turnover. Volumes are enough that is sure thing for Lead and Zinc, a bit less in aluminium. If you want to scale up then go for Lead Mega(5000) lot, it will not be a problem. liquidity is always there.