Abnormal / freak trade happened what is the remedy

#1
An abormal/freak trade has happend to me the detail of trade is as under : can any body help me how solve this problem.

REMARKS : I purchased 2000 shares in F&O of IVRCL @ 366.80, 368 at 1130 in the morning of 26th Aug 2009, and placed a stop loss market order @ 359.90. The share of IVRCL was trading in between 360-370 through out the day but At 1520 the stop loss order was trigerred at Rs 310.50. It was shocking and unbelievable that how can a share come down so drastically from 360 to 310.50 with in few seconds, again after 1 minute the share was trading at 361. The share price in cash market did not dip below 360,even in sep future the share price did not come below 360, even in bse cash market it did not come below 360, than how it came down to 310.50 in NSE future with in 60 seconds. Even the nse chart does not show any such trade. Than how such trade could happen, It was a total failure of system, or some great manipulation by some criminal type of people, I have been doing trading in F&O for last many years but not heard such type of manipulation, We are still fail to understand why & how could this happen that price came down from 360 to 310 within 60 seconds in such a liquid counter like IVRCL. I incurred loss of Rs. 1,00,000.00 with in 60 seconds and some manipulator have made huge profit with in 60 seconds.

We expect from SEBI and all other agencies which are involved in restricting the unfair or any manipulating practice to look in to the matter and cancel this hugely unexpected abnormal trade.
 

Flock

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#2
First thing to do is verify the trade at the NSE web site to see if indeed it executed at that price.

In theory it is possible for this to happen if a huge sell order came at a very low price which took out many bids and then there could be a cascading effect more stop loss sells getting triggered and a spike. This can be prevented if you have a limit price set so that the order cannot be executed below a certain point.

Again if the market crashes and tunnels through the limit price there is a risk of the sell order not executing at all.

Looks like an unfortunate situation.
 
#3
Dear FLOK,

It is confirm from NSE site that the trade was executed, but how could it be possible in such a high liquid counter like IVRCL that price come down from 360 to 310 within 45 seconds, when there is no market crash, no share crash. not even showing in NSE chart, It is a manipulation or cheting, similar case was happened in TULIP and trade has to be reveresed by the exchange, Though I have lodged the complaint at NSE/SEBI , waiting for their action, can any body share with me similar case.
 

Flock

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#4
Hi,

I hope you succeed in reversing the trade through the exchange. Please post the developments here for everybody's knowledge.

Thanks.
 

bunny

Well-Known Member
#5
It is neither an anomaly nor a freak trade. If you understand how order matching and last trade price(current price) is decided, the you will be able to conclude that there was a very big "SELL at MARKET PRICE" order which must have come in and filled in many small buy orders. If the seller has used "LIMIT" order, it would not have happened.

I am not sure if complaining to the exchange is going to do any good because that is how things work.
 

SavantGarde

Well-Known Member
#7
Pawanca,

Hmmm....The Problem Is With Your Mindset....In Terms Of Shock & Disbelief You Have Expressed In Your Post.


Happy & Safer Trading

SavantGarde

An abormal/freak trade has happend to me the detail of trade is as under : can any body help me how solve this problem.

REMARKS : I purchased 2000 shares in F&O of IVRCL @ 366.80, 368 at 1130 in the morning of 26th Aug 2009, and placed a stop loss market order @ 359.90. The share of IVRCL was trading in between 360-370 through out the day but At 1520 the stop loss order was trigerred at Rs 310.50. It was shocking and unbelievable that how can a share come down so drastically from 360 to 310.50 with in few seconds, again after 1 minute the share was trading at 361. The share price in cash market did not dip below 360,even in sep future the share price did not come below 360, even in bse cash market it did not come below 360, than how it came down to 310.50 in NSE future with in 60 seconds. Even the nse chart does not show any such trade. Than how such trade could happen, It was a total failure of system, or some great manipulation by some criminal type of people, I have been doing trading in F&O for last many years but not heard such type of manipulation, We are still fail to understand why & how could this happen that price came down from 360 to 310 within 60 seconds in such a liquid counter like IVRCL. I incurred loss of Rs. 1,00,000.00 with in 60 seconds and some manipulator have made huge profit with in 60 seconds.

We expect from SEBI and all other agencies which are involved in restricting the unfair or any manipulating practice to look in to the matter and cancel this hugely unexpected abnormal trade.
 
#8
It is neither an anomaly nor a freak trade. If you understand how order matching and last trade price(current price) is decided, the you will be able to conclude that there was a very big "SELL at MARKET PRICE" order which must have come in and filled in many small buy orders. If the seller has used "LIMIT" order, it would not have happened.

I am not sure if complaining to the exchange is going to do any good because that is how things work.
He bought it at CMP=368 and a SL of 359.90
So, what you are saying is if a limit of say 356 was put then this order of 310.5 would have never been executed because only values between 359.90 and 356 would be executed?
Also, I saw the NSE charts for IVRCL in google and yahoo website, neither I see any price fluctuation nor the volume spike at 1520, can you please help how to get that data? It would help others
Thanks
 

rajeshn2007

Well-Known Member
#9
An abormal/freak trade has happend to me the detail of trade is as under : can any body help me how solve this problem.

REMARKS : I purchased 2000 shares in F&O of IVRCL @ 366.80, 368 at 1130 in the morning of 26th Aug 2009, and placed a stop loss market order @ 359.90. The share of IVRCL was trading in between 360-370 through out the day but At 1520 the stop loss order was trigerred at Rs 310.50. It was shocking and unbelievable that how can a share come down so drastically from 360 to 310.50 with in few seconds, again after 1 minute the share was trading at 361. The share price in cash market did not dip below 360,even in sep future the share price did not come below 360, even in bse cash market it did not come below 360, than how it came down to 310.50 in NSE future with in 60 seconds. Even the nse chart does not show any such trade. Than how such trade could happen, It was a total failure of system, or some great manipulation by some criminal type of people, I have been doing trading in F&O for last many years but not heard such type of manipulation, We are still fail to understand why & how could this happen that price came down from 360 to 310 within 60 seconds in such a liquid counter like IVRCL. I incurred loss of Rs. 1,00,000.00 with in 60 seconds and some manipulator have made huge profit with in 60 seconds.

We expect from SEBI and all other agencies which are involved in restricting the unfair or any manipulating practice to look in to the matter and cancel this hugely unexpected abnormal trade.
some suggestions my friend.

1.avoid "market stop loss order' - indicate some price say 358/357.
2.avoid futures.
3. these type of trades are normal and one needs to anticipate such trades and be prepared.
 

bunny

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#10
He bought it at CMP=368 and a SL of 359.90
So, what you are saying is if a limit of say 356 was put then this order of 310.5 would have never been executed because only values between 359.90 and 356 would be executed?
Also, I saw the NSE charts for IVRCL in google and yahoo website, neither I see any price fluctuation nor the volume spike at 1520, can you please help how to get that data? It would help others
Thanks
Didn't quite get you on both the queries.

May be he should have used a stoploss with trigger price and selling price. But ofcourse, there is a danger that the price may never have recovered and settled near 310. In this case, he would not have got any chance to sell his lot.

Moral of the post: It is risky and unpredictable, regardless of which type of order you use.
 

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