Where did ASHWANI GUJRAL (Expert?) went wrong?

#1
Guys.
First of all thanks so much for your support in difficult time.
For those who dont know , I invested 1 crore with Ashwani Gujral and lost 30 lakh in one year (boom time March 09 to April 2010).
http://www.traderji.com/general-tra...ted-1-crore-now-down-30-lacs-how-recover.html

This therd is about educating all of us about what went wrong.
Belive me , Experts can also do these mistakes.

Mistake- (Weekness)

1. (greed) Poor money management rules (He used to trade 5000 Nifty contracts)
2. (all eggs in one basket) No diversification , only Nifty Nifty and Nifty for complet 1 crore.
3. (Emotion) Overconfidant looking at lot size.:annoyed:
4. No cash Delivery for safe smooth long sail.
5. (try to catch the market) Buy high and sell low.:clapping:
6. (Rash, no plan or strategy) On the top of that, take huge losses and take reverse positin and take another huge loss.:confused:
7. (Hope) Stop looses used to be in 5 to 7 lakhs( i.e. 5 to 7 % per trade) :rofl:
8. (Denial and arogance) And sometimes there wont be any stop loss. Once the position went 400 pts down, but the guy was still holding it. I was luck , the market bounce back and we recoved the losses. I got the notice from Religare to add more money as the margine was short. Almost on verge of bankrupcy.
9. (Cut the hen to get all the golden eggs) Over trading. He is complusive trader. no day without trades. I used to wonder about his positons, even I could make out that this is not correct trade, Somtimes I used to feel he pressed wrong button by mistake.

His strength is - HE NEVER ADDED TO LOSS MAKING POSITIONS (otherwise I would have been out in 1 month).
Thats the only skill he possess.


So any expert or common man can looses money who do not follow money management and dicipline.

Please, let us learn from it.

I would appriciate if some guys can give more examples of so called EXPERTS who have performed worst and some are even bankrupt.

Regards,
dk
 
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#2
Guys.
First of all thanks so much for your support in difficult time.
For those who dont know , I invested 1 crore with Ashwani Gujral and lost 30 lakh in one year (boom time March 09 to April 2010).
http://www.traderji.com/general-tra...ted-1-crore-now-down-30-lacs-how-recover.html

This therd is about educating all of us about what went wrong.
Belive me , Experts can also do these mistakes.

Mistake-

1. (greed) Poor money management rules (He used to trade 5000 Nifty contracts)
2. (all eggs in one basket) No diversification , only Nifty Nifty and Nifty for complet 1 crore.
3. (Emotion) Overconfidant looking at lot size.:annoyed:
4. No cash Delivery for safe smooth long sail.
5. (try to catch the market) Buy high and sell low.:clapping:
6. (Rash, no plan or strategy) On the top of that, take huge losses and take reverse positin and take another huge loss.:confused:
7. (Hope) Stop looses used to be in 5 to 7 lakhs( i.e. 5 to 7 % per trade) :rofl:
8. (Denial and arogance) And sometimes there wont be any stop loss. Once the position went 400 pts down, but the guy was still holding it. I was luck , the market bounce back and we recoved the losses. I got the notice from Religare to add more money as the margine was short. Almost on verge of bankrupcy.
9. (Cut the hen to get all the golden eggs) Over trading. He is complusive trader. no day without trades. I used to wonder about his positons, even I could make out that this is not correct trade, Somtimes I used to feel he pressed wrong button by mistake.

So any expert or common man can looses money who do not follow money management and dicipline.

Please, let us learn from it.

I would appriciate if some guys can give more examples of so called EXPERTS who have performed worst and some are even bankrupt.

Regards,
dk
It looks embarrassing rather a bit sceptical-u know all the money management rules still u entrusted such a big amount to somebody else.Believe that u hav already withdrawn the amt????
 
#3
It looks embarrassing rather a bit sceptical-u know all the money management rules still u entrusted such a big amount to somebody else.Believe that u hav already withdrawn the amt????
I knew all the rules as I was educated by reding Ashwani Gujral Books.
I was little sucessfull also but with very samll money and time was another constraint. So I choose his paid service. I read somewhere that the beginers can relay on Experts. Any way , lessosn learnt. Handle your own baby.

i have alredy closed the account.

About you being sceptical, i can only give you my account number and his phone number, you can ask them how much losses I have encured. I dont want to waste my time and foms time in proving that I am not lieing. I know my pain.
 
#5
I knew all the rules as I was educated by reding Ashwani Gujral Books.
I was little sucessfull also but with very samll money and time was another constraint. So I choose his paid service. I read somewhere that the beginers can relay on Experts. Any way , lessosn learnt. Handle your own baby.

i have alredy closed the account.

About you being sceptical, i can only give you my account number and his phone number, you can ask them how much losses I have encured. I dont want to waste my time and foms time in proving that I am not lieing. I know my pain.
I am really sorry that I hurt u by my unsolicited words.It was difficult for me to digest primafacie the whole of ur episode,that is why responded so.
If u r willing to spend time ,please go through the threads by AW10 especially the one on low risk strategies on options and on the NR7 setup. believe that u may be able to derive a setup based on his knowledge.
Apologies once again from my part on hurting u.
 
#6
I am really sorry that I hurt u by my unsolicited words.It was difficult for me to digest primafacie the whole of ur episode,that is why responded so.
If u r willing to spend time ,please go through the threads by AW10 especially the one on low risk strategies on options and on the NR7 setup. believe that u may be able to derive a setup based on his knowledge.
Apologies once again from my part on hurting u.
Its ok Biju, After all it is gr8 shock for all of us.
I will go thru the thereds you have mentioned and study them.
thanks.
dk
 
#7
My sympathies dk. Looks like the biggest problem was trading without a stop loss. :eek:
Thats always a killer. TV analysts are paid for talking so I'm not surprised that he couldn't show a profit.
 
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alroyraj

Well-Known Member
#8
Guys.
First of all thanks so much for your support in difficult time.
For those who dont know , I invested 1 crore with Ashwani Gujral and lost 30 lakh in one year (boom time March 09 to April 2010).
http://www.traderji.com/general-tra...ted-1-crore-now-down-30-lacs-how-recover.html

This therd is about educating all of us about what went wrong.
Belive me , Experts can also do these mistakes.

Mistake- (Weekness)

1. (greed) Poor money management rules (He used to trade 5000 Nifty contracts)
2. (all eggs in one basket) No diversification , only Nifty Nifty and Nifty for complet 1 crore.
3. (Emotion) Overconfidant looking at lot size.:annoyed:
4. No cash Delivery for safe smooth long sail.
5. (try to catch the market) Buy high and sell low.:clapping:
6. (Rash, no plan or strategy) On the top of that, take huge losses and take reverse positin and take another huge loss.:confused:
7. (Hope) Stop looses used to be in 5 to 7 lakhs( i.e. 5 to 7 % per trade) :rofl:
8. (Denial and arogance) And sometimes there wont be any stop loss. Once the position went 400 pts down, but the guy was still holding it. I was luck , the market bounce back and we recoved the losses. I got the notice from Religare to add more money as the margine was short. Almost on verge of bankrupcy.
9. (Cut the hen to get all the golden eggs) Over trading. He is complusive trader. no day without trades. I used to wonder about his positons, even I could make out that this is not correct trade, Somtimes I used to feel he pressed wrong button by mistake.

His strength is - HE NEVER ADDED TO LOSS MAKING POSITIONS (otherwise I would have been out in 1 month).
Thats the only skill he possess.


So any expert or common man can looses money who do not follow money management and dicipline.

Please, let us learn from it.

I would appriciate if some guys can give more examples of so called EXPERTS who have performed worst and some are even bankrupt.

Regards,
dk
The only suspicious thing here is perhaps he was front running. earlier before online trading was the norm, when large clients used to give an order the broker used to enter into an opposite trade and benefit by running up the price. That seemed to be what happened here. I mean if he wrote books here on these elementary concepts, and does not follow these basic risk mgmt startegies, I think there is a malafide intention.
 

desifxtrader

Well-Known Member
#9
Guys.

First of all thanks so much for your support in difficult time.
For those who dont know , I invested 1 crore with Ashwani Gujral and lost 30 lakh in one year (boom time March 09 to April 2010).

This therd is about educating all of us about what went wrong.
Belive me , Experts can also do these mistakes.

Mistake- (Weekness)

So any expert or common man can looses money who do not follow money management and dicipline.

Please, let us learn from it.

I would appriciate if some guys can give more examples of so called EXPERTS who have performed worst and some are even bankrupt.

Regards,
dk
Hello my dear friend,

Ashwani Gujral DIDN'T went wrong anywhere. :confused: He is doing what he's best - marketing & sales. No doubt he's very successful in doing so.

It's only YOU who went wrong to trust your money to someone about whom you don't know.

Ashwani Gujral writes gr8 books and you've learnt much from them??

I think you've NEVER used the secret search tool called "Google" for your research for trading information. He used it, compiled everything for a desi version and we all are ga ga over his 'knowledge' and call him an 'expert'. It's not his fault. He's in the market to sell his snake skin oil. It's the fault of the ignorant customers who buy these oils without doing any homework in hope of some miracle!!

If you want to purchase a TV or car tomorrow, what's the amount of research people would do?? And in case of purchasing stocks & futures, managed funds people would do it at the toss of coin without doing any homework.

Go to thread and the last four lines of my post:


http://www.traderji.com/forex/35470-free-make-rs-5000-daily-forex-trading.html#post420752

Does it sound FUNNY?? To many of us, it would look nonsense and I would sound as if I'm making a joke here. But what's the end result? I guess you could see it.

People get trapped with marketing wizards and trust those TV talk show fools instead of trusting themselves and their own super computer located between their two ears.

One more thing, please DONOT cry over spilled milk. Stop analyzing what went wrong. Start planning your course of action and future plans.

Best of Luck


 

oilman5

Well-Known Member
#10
let me comment, long days back i told bunny........ashwani dont know trading.
to tell u all ,most pms guys r also poor trader........is a fact.
He himself has passed no trade training............so snakeoil vendor lives his way.
....................................
Dkardale has lots of guts to address his foolishness ,which most of us have done......but keep mum ,being hypocrite. In my trading childhood 1991-92 , i played with 50/50 profit and as well as loss venture, with others fund , get out lucky because partner[a gujarati brahmin] thought why to give a fool guider 50%,when tips may be available free/his friend might charge 1% only.So when the fund doubled he parted ,giving 50 % profit,......only after 8yr in 1999.......he told and understood what the power of knowledge is..........NO , i dont take dkardale's offer of 10/90. ......i dont need others money.Fact is in this market still i am learning.....since last 10yr
Still i give some hints on trading.......psychology is highest imp in trading.then come MM
To learn entry/exit if it takes 1yr...........i believe without study /practice of a decade ,one has no chance in market.Read writing of pro.......is helpful.Just for simplicity, i give here A B C D E F G of trading
A ADAPTABILITY
B BEHAVIOR MODIFICATION
C COMMITMENT
D DISCIPLINE
E EGO
F FEAR
G GREED
mastery over these 7 is must to be a trader.
............................
since i find trade learning is hobby ,so help the novices to guide in 2006/also for a trade batch group of a college in 2008/9....i have given some material on trade........which as per me is comprehensive..........pl go through it.
OILMAN
 

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