Unwind the secrets of P/E

#1
We have already discussed how to calculate P/E for wipro and Infosys. Now lets go one step further and see what actually drives P/E - either low or high.

We often hear people saying stock X is cheap because it is trading at lower multiple or is expensive because its trading at a very high multiple compared to industry average. Is that really true? I hope after reading this you should have necessary tools at your disposal to be informed investor and ask back your financial advisor with the necessary information.

Drivers of P/E
Last time we calculated wipro and Infosys P/E to be 20.15 and 22.8 respectively. Before we jump to conclude which is cheap or expensive, we should understand what drives the P/E of an asset.

You will be surprised that there are only 3 parameters that drive P/E and you have heard about them:

1. Payout ratio This determines how much a company is required to retain cash from its earnings for reinvestment purpose. Keeping other things constant, if a company needs to retain more capital relative to its competitor to achieve similar growth, the company is relatively inefficient.

2. Cost of equity This is the return that equity investor expects from a stock. How do we determine this? Every stock is associated with a beta, which determines the riskiness of that stock. And as the saying goes higher the risk higher is the return investor expects. This implies higher beta is associated with higher cost of equity.

3. Lastly, the growth of its earnings. I think I dont need to do any explanation on this.

What is the relationship of above 3 drivers and P/E
P/E = (payout-ratio)/(cost of equity-growth)

So what an investor should look for:
1. Payout ratio: Keeping others constant (meaning cost of equity and growth are same), companies with higher payout ratio should trade at a higher multiple and vice versa.
2. Cost of equity: Keeping others constant (meaning payout ratio and growth are same), higher cost of equity stocks should trade at a lower multiple.
3. Growth: Keeping others constant (payout and cost of equity are same), companies with high growth should trade at a higher multiple.

As an example, we will run this model through wipro and Infosys example.
Infosys drivers
(Source: in.reuters.com)
Beta: 0.54
Payout ratio: 22.46
Growth: 11

Wipro
Beta: 0.92
Payout ratio: 15.03
Growth: 9.31 (go to estimates and look for mean of long term growth)

So what do you observe comparing 3 drivers?
Wipro has lower growth, lower payout ratio and higher beta(high cost of equity), resulting in all drivers favoring Infosys to have higher multiple. Therefore Wipro deserves to be trading at lower multiple than Infosys.

But there exist stocks stocks which are cheap and do trade at lower multiple. The point is that now you have the tools required to discern between stock being cheap or deserving to be trading at lower multiple.

So is this the end of story. Not really Even if we identify wipro deserves to be lower than Infosys, the question is by how much. I have seen analysts randomly slapping a multiple, with no justification.
A good analyst is expected to quantify all such details before recommending any stock to be cheap or expensive. I will try to address this issue later in the series.

But for now you may want to run this model through stocks you know. Happy P/E .
 
#2
We have already discussed how to calculate P/E for wipro and Infosys. Now lets go one step further and see what actually drives P/E - either low or high.

We often hear people saying stock X is cheap because it is trading at lower multiple or is expensive because its trading at a very high multiple compared to industry average. Is that really true? I hope after reading this you should have necessary tools at your disposal to be informed investor and ask back your financial advisor with the necessary information.

Drivers of P/E
Last time we calculated wipro and Infosys P/E to be 20.15 and 22.8 respectively. Before we jump to conclude which is cheap or expensive, we should understand what drives the P/E of an asset.

You will be surprised that there are only 3 parameters that drive P/E and you have heard about them:

1. Payout ratio This determines how much a company is required to retain cash from its earnings for reinvestment purpose. Keeping other things constant, if a company needs to retain more capital relative to its competitor to achieve similar growth, the company is relatively inefficient.

2. Cost of equity This is the return that equity investor expects from a stock. How do we determine this? Every stock is associated with a beta, which determines the riskiness of that stock. And as the saying goes higher the risk higher is the return investor expects. This implies higher beta is associated with higher cost of equity.

3. Lastly, the growth of its earnings. I think I dont need to do any explanation on this.

What is the relationship of above 3 drivers and P/E
P/E = (payout-ratio)/(cost of equity-growth)

So what an investor should look for:
1. Payout ratio: Keeping others constant (meaning cost of equity and growth are same), companies with higher payout ratio should trade at a higher multiple and vice versa.
2. Cost of equity: Keeping others constant (meaning payout ratio and growth are same), higher cost of equity stocks should trade at a lower multiple.
3. Growth: Keeping others constant (payout and cost of equity are same), companies with high growth should trade at a higher multiple.

As an example, we will run this model through wipro and Infosys example.
Infosys drivers
(Source: in.reuters.com)
Beta: 0.54
Payout ratio: 22.46
Growth: 11

Wipro
Beta: 0.92
Payout ratio: 15.03
Growth: 9.31 (go to estimates and look for mean of long term growth)

So what do you observe comparing 3 drivers?
Wipro has lower growth, lower payout ratio and higher beta(high cost of equity), resulting in all drivers favoring Infosys to have higher multiple. Therefore Wipro deserves to be trading at lower multiple than Infosys.

But there exist stocks stocks which are cheap and do trade at lower multiple. The point is that now you have the tools required to discern between stock being cheap or deserving to be trading at lower multiple.

So is this the end of story. Not really Even if we identify wipro deserves to be lower than Infosys, the question is by how much. I have seen analysts randomly slapping a multiple, with no justification.
A good analyst is expected to quantify all such details before recommending any stock to be cheap or expensive. I will try to address this issue later in the series.

But for now you may want to run this model through stocks you know. Happy P/E .
Very useful reading....please keep it up

Thanks
 
#3
hello,
I am new to fundamental analysis but trading from last three years. Please clarify my doubts. If price of X company is 100 on 31st march,09, what will be the price change on 31st march,10 if there is no change in EPS and PE ratio as compared to previous year? Other things being equal.
 

Capricorn

Well-Known Member
#4
Here is an example to help...

Share Price Relative to Value
This all serves to make one very important point: share price by itself means nothing. It is share price in relation to earnings and net assets that determines if a stock is over or undervalued.

Going back to the question I posed at the beginning of this article, assume the following:

* Company ABC is trading at $10 per share and has EPS of $0.15.
* Company XYZ is trading at $125 per share and has EPS of $35.

The ABC stock is trading at a price to earnings ratio (p/e ratio) of 67 ($10 per share divided by $0.15 EPS = 66.67). The XYZ stock, on the other hand, is trading at a p/e of 3.57 ($125 per share divided by $35 EPS = 3.57 p/e).

In other words, you are paying $66.67 for every $1 in earnings from company ABC, while company XYZ is offering you the same $1 in earnings for only $3.57. All else being equal, the higher multiple is unjustified unless company ABC is expanding rapidly.

Some companies have a policy of never splitting their shares, giving the share price the appearance of gross overvaluation to less-informed investors. The Washington Post, for example, has recently traded between $500 and $700 per share with EPS of over $22. Berkshire Hathaway has traded as high as $70,000 per share with EPS of over $2,000. Hence, Berkshire Hathaway, if it fell to $45,000 per share, may be a far better buy.
 
#5
Sir, I got your point. Coming back to my specific question that will there be any change in the price of a company whose PE and EPS do not change in the next year if other things being equal.
I have a preception that the price will not change at all. Am I right?
 
#7
you deserve a straight answer which is price remains same.

Pls. read my post before you read below:

What do we mean all else being equal- we mean cost of equity, retention ratio and growth.

So if all these things remain same from year1 to year2, p/e will not change.

To be specific we are talking forward p/e (read my blog fundamentalvaluation.blogspot.com) for definitions.

Now if earnings remain same from year1 to year2, for p/e to be same price have to be same.


Lets look it other way also:

price is function of next year EPS,cost of equity,growth and retention ration.

If we say all other things remain same(refer above what it includes)

For price to stay same from year1 to year2, EPS has to remain same.

Now some of you say then growth should be zero, not necessarily . growth we use is long term and its possible that due to recession or other reason co may expect same EPS for 2 years.

nothing to do with perception etc. All this perception and other subjective issues are covered in analyst estimates of growth, capex and other estimates.

Don't count them again in doing fundamental valuation

Sir, I got your point. Coming back to my specific question that will there be any change in the price of a company whose PE and EPS do not change in the next year if other things being equal.
I have a preception that the price will not change at all. Am I right?
 

Karanm

Active Member
#8
Someone Advised to Buy Nifty Stocks when PE of Nifty is Less than 12, similarly Sell these stocks when PE of Nifty is above 22. IS THIS TRUE and FOOLPROOF MATHOD FOR PROFITS
 
#9
Dear Mr.Karan

The concept is based on the adage

Be greedy when every one is fearful and be Fearful when every one is greedy.

I checked your Idea and it works for the last 10 years in the Indian stock markets.

Mohan
 

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