Market Operators - Do they exist ? Who actually runs the show?

if people here had read vsa,this thread wud not hve been here in the first place...
why dont u all read tom williams & kartiks thread

Thats a very blunt way to say " What the heck are you newbies doing amongst us Pros". Wrong attitude to have

Nobody starts as a graduate, everyone has to start from Pre- Nursery, we cannot dismiss anyone's idea just because we are experienced ourselves.

I myself was seeing Ghost Market Manipulators everywhere when lots of my stoplosses were getting triggered only to see markets move back in its original direction (many 60 min. followers would have experienced it), I opened the charts and kept on searching for answers for days until I finally figured out that my stoplosses were too close considering volatility.

So I fixed the problem no. 1 of stoplosses and also No.2 of thinking that Market Operators are taking away my money, I said to myself that I cant blame anything on 'THEM', if there has got to be any solution, it would be from 'ME'.


Look there are always 2 options for an investor in a market, its whether he wants to be IN or OUT of the market. If he stays OUT, its well and good but if he wants to be IN the market he has to understand volatility, trend, etc.. Anyone participating in this Bear Market will have to live with Volatility, you cant question anyone that why did my money evaporate.


I think this is a great Thread and should be continued so that all the Experienced and Amatuers can discuss their views. I am feeling privileged to learn so much from others. So dont stop this thread. Let me tell everyone that we are Sowing the seeds for next generation of sucessful traders in these kind of times, so go ahead please

so u think u r a pro...congrats & well done...& how many systems have this pro trader contributed to this forum...i guess none...as far as i know from other threads u r living off saints system.
i am still a newbie & a learner of the market & want to remain the same...never wud like to call myself a pro,nor dream of sumthin like tht.
i never asked any1 to close the thread..
& the last thing is i want to have a fight with u...u r welcum with ur own opinion.

Whether there are 9 or 19 type of Fund/HNI etc etc,this knowledge is actually not going to help us (my views).Only thing which is going to help us is to get their Footprints EARLY in the charts.
Remember 1 thread was started to find out this in past,the basic premises we followed then is
"NO BODY IN THIS PLANET HOW BIG HE/SHE MAY BE CAN NOT BUY/SELL .......SECRETLY........ THEIR HAS TO BE SOME FOOT-PRINTS IN THE CHART"
Due to limitation of chart storage capacity in TJ most of my past charts HAD to be deleted.
Interestingly Jesse (our TJ's Gr8 Trader) has contributed with his charts Live then and we tried LONG ONLY in a Downtrend of Nifty.
http://www.traderji.com/technical-analysis/12248-insiders-operators-activity.html

I do agree with AW10.


IMO, Smart money is in I could smell fresh input of it 3,4 months back.

IMHO : Individual low volume scripts maybe prone to the suggested manipulations, but to me what seems as manipulation is more of a tussel between Smart money and dumb money where the Smartmoney always wins.
I do strongly feel that it is not possible to manipulate the indices.

V4, You have probably got into the habit of interfering unreasonably without reason in others thread. I remember you citing sermons to others from avoiding this.
Is VSA end of all TA's? There is no holy grail, there is no holy strategy, there is no holy method, it all about persistantly following any method with discipline with no distraction.
It all upto you to understand that every one has their own views and have the right to air them. If at you have a counter view why not put it forward politely.
I did read VSA, but it was quiet heavy for my 'light' intellect. But that does not disqualify me from starting a new thread which as per your view was not required IF a person read the VSA.
Why not reply directly, react directly to the core matter of the questions raised in a thread instead of of going personal.
You may argue your responce is not personbal, but V4, to the initiator it would seem so when you write : if people here had read vsa,this thread wud not hve been here in the first place...
why dont u all read tom williams & kartiks thread


If I say the same thing again but wording it differently :

Please read the thread about vsa ,maybe you will fing this thread useless and you probably wud not have even styarted it. I suggest u all read tom williams & kartiks thread where most of your queries would be answered.

Well please excuse me if I am wrong, and I shall not respond to your reply to this post of mine.
Take care.
All the best.
-Shravan

deleted my above statement for the following reasons:
2)dont want to post in this thread anymore.

I do strongly feel that it is not possible to manipulate the indices.