RPL Listing on Monday - Lets Discuss

Hi Fellow Members,

Relience Power Limited is going to be listed on Monday the 11th.

My views are it will be listed around 600-650 and then selling will start because of current market scenario and it eventually will close around 500 on the same day.

Please share your views..

Also, whether do you think this listing will push the market upwards or not?

Thanks
Sharmaji

Business: R POWER.

The company claims that it will be developing power generation projects of 28200 MW over
the next decade.

According to the IPO RHP, some of the projects that it will be developing are:

Rosa-I (to be commissioned in March 2010) - 600 MW - Coal based
Butibori (to be commissioned in June 2010) - 300 MW - Coal based
Rosa-II (to be commissioned in September 2010) - 600 MW - Coal based
Shahpur Gas (to be commissioned in March 2011) - 2800 MW - Gas based
Shahpur Coal (to be commissioned in December 2011) - 1200 MW - Coal based
Dadri (to be commissioned in March 2013) - 7480 MW - Gas based
Krishnapatnam (to be commissioned in September 2013) - 4000 MW - Coal based
Urthing Sobla (to be commissioned in March 2014) - 400 MW - Hydropower based
Tato II (to be commissioned in March 2014) - 700 MW - Hydropower based
MP Power (to be commissioned in July 2014) - 3960 MW - Coal based
Siyom (to be commissioned in March 2015) - 1000 MW - Hydropower based
Kalai II (to be commissioned in March 2016) - 1200 MW - Hydropower based
Sasan (to be commissioned in April 2016) - 3960 MW - Coal based

If

everything goes as planned, capacity of Reliance Power at end of each year till 2016 will be:
2008: 0 MW.
2009: 0 MW.
2010: 1500 MW.
2011: 5500 MW.
2012: 5500 MW.
2013: 16980 MW.
2014: 22040 MW.
2015: 23040 MW.
2016: 28200 MW.
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Other Similar Companies:
I can think of two companies in the power generation sector that Reliance Power can be
compared with:
NTPC and Tata Power.
NTPC has current capacity of 28000 MW and has target to achieve 66000 MW by 2017. ( See
this thread on NTPC).
Around 2012 - 2013, both Tata Power is expected to have similar capacity as Reliance Power.
The interesting thing is at current price of Rs 1457, Tata Power is valued at just Rs 30000 crore.
Remove Rs 10000 crore of investments and you can have it only for Rs 20000 crore.
At Rs 900, Reliance Power will have market value of 200000 crores....6.67 times that of Tata
Power. .
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Financials:
With 2300 MW capacity, Tata Power made standalone profit of Rs 700 crore in FY 2007.
With 28000 MW capacities, NTPC made standalone profit of Rs 6900 crore in FY 2007.
Lets assume Reliance Power turns out to be much more efficient than these two companies.
Add to that increased power rates.
With 28200 capacity, assume Reliance Power makes Rs 15000 crore of net profit in 2016-2017.
Power companies are considered as utilities and worldwide trade at 10-15 times their
earnings.
Lets assume 15 times ratio for Reliance Power in 2016.
What will be its market value?
15000 X 15 = Rs 225000 crore or Rs 995 per share.
This is an optimistic view:
-there will be no further equity dilution till 2016.
-assuming nearly twice as much efficiency as NTPC.
-that all projects will be completed before 2016 end.
-the company would have paid back all debt by then and interest costs would be in similar
range as NTPC.
(NTPC already has established 28000 MW capacity and comparatively much lesser interest
costs. (NTPC's P&L account states Rs 1800 interest cost for FY 2007).
So what about the debt?
The RHP mentions estimated cost of six projects Rosa I, Rosa II, Butibori, Sasan, Shahpur
Coal, Urthing Sobla as Rs 30000 crore+.
Analysts estimate that Reliance Power will need Rs 70000 crore of debt to finance its projects
which are estimated to cost 100000 crore+.
Rs 70000 crore of debt is not going to come at 2% interest rate. Even a 6% interest would
mean an annual interest cost of Rs 4200 crore. Only in 2013, the company's capacity will
cross 10000 MW. Thus, I do not expect any major debt repayment before 2014. If things don't
go as planned, the debt burden will make a mockery of the balance sheet.
With Rs 12000 crore raised in equity and Rs 70000 crore of debt, these whole business will
become a high-risk venture.
Any unforeseen delay/derailment of plans may create major problems for this company.
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Reliance Power - The Overlooked Fact:
What does Anil Ambani's AAA Project or REL lose?
Both of them had got their 45% (post-IPO) stake for Rs 1000 crore each. Plus they will each
subscribe to 1.6 crore shares each at Rs 450 in the IPO......which works out to be Rs 720 crore.
Thus, AAA Project will be getting 101.6 crore shares of Reliance Power for Rs 1720 crore and
REL will be getting 101.6 crore shares of Reliance Power for Rs 1720 crore.
Little less than Rs 17 per share.
This is what both the promoters are risking in this project....Rs 17 per share ; while investors
will be risking Rs 450 per share.
This is exactly the reason why Reliance Power was created.
First, by contributing just Rs 1720 crore each to Reliance Power, the promoters have shifted
all risk to investors.
Second, by getting 45% stake (in REL's projects) to AAA Project for a mere Rs 1000 crore,
AAA Projects (and Anil Ambani) have created wealth out of thin air.
Anil Ambani's Rs 1000 crore investment will be worth Rs 100000 crore when Reliance
Power lists at Rs 900.
If the gamble works, the promoters (holding 90% stake in Reliance Power) will be worth
billions of dollars.
If the gamble doesn't work, the promoters will lose Rs 1720 crore each and investors will
lose Rs 10000+ crore which they will be paying for a mere 10% stake in Reliance Power.
What a way to create wealth...!!!....I don't have words to describe the brilliance of Anil
Ambani's plans... .
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First, other companies are much cheaper.
Why should I keep a company valued at Rs 200000 crore -
when another company (with similar capacity by 2013) is available at Rs 30000 crore with
much smaller debt burden and Rs 10000 crore worth of investments...........referring to Tata
Power.
If Reliance Power (at Rs 900) is available for Rs 200000 crore, why not buy NTPC for a
similar price ......Rs 225000 crore. NTPC plans to have a capacity of 66000 MW in 2017, while
Reliance Power will have 28200 MW capacity in 2016.
Second, the risk is higher than other existing companies.
With marginally cash flows for next 5 years and Rs 70000+ crore of debt, the risk for Reliance
Power is high. Tata Power and NTPC have existing cash flows to handle
expansions....Reliance Power does not.
Third and the biggest factor is....the valuation of the company doesn't make much sense.
Why should Reliance Power be valued at Rs 200000 crore, when in highly optimistic
scenario, it will not make more than Rs 15000 crore of profit in 2016? Even if it touches that
figure of Rs 15000 crore, its market value in 2016 will not be much more than 225000-300000
crore. (if given a 15-20 times multiple).
A fixed deposit will make more money than that in 8 years.....and that too without any risk.
Also, the optimistic Rs 15000 crore figure is got by assuming two times margins as NTPC.
The fact is..... at least till 2014, Reliance Power will still be carrying most of its Rs 70000
crore debt and its interest costs will squeeze margins to a large extent.

Because i got a 15 share allotment, i'm planning to sell that for 900/- and if it trades less than that i'll hold. Since the non-retail bidders only got 1% of what they applied they might have plans of buying and hence i think it will go up after the listing price whatever it is. Just my view.

Does everyone have their shares in demat account by now? I don't; was wondering if that will be in the account only on the listing day? I have great plans but don't have the shares in my account yet . Any comments.

I got my refund and the cost of 15 shares are taken before refund and karvy says i have 15 shares allotted

wow.. Where did you get such vast knowledge.

you will be marked by ambani

Satheesh

Excellent analysis man, didnt know so much about it.. thanks a lot..
and do you think it will reach 900 Rs on the day of listing?

People went behind R Power just because of the name "Reliance".
They have forgotten that the "Reliance" that gave them money for decades was run by Dhirubhai - an entreprenuer...

R Power - on the other hand is Run by ADA - A Pure Financial Manipulator...

This mistake will cost the common man very dearly !!

Anything personal against him? Just curious.

FYI: Mukesh brought out RPL IPO in 2006 which was oversubscribed aswell (not to mention he sold some stake in the open market at a high rate and reported the sale to SEBI/BSE/NSE after few days. For me it looked like deliberate move to make some quick bucks at the investoor's expense). Till date RPL has not processed a single barel of oil. What do you say about RPL IPO. Was it manipulated too?
P.S: I have nothing for/against any of these Ambanies.

Does all this have relevance with listing price of Reliance Power? Grow up guyz!

My sources tell me it is going to list between 685-710.

Regards

HI all,
According to my views and study,
As the markets got some sharp falls in last few trading sessions....

Repl is supposed to open at 525-600/-

And selling pressure will pull it down from that level.

Dear Mr Shemankar
thanks for detaild analysis, im sure its not against anyone, i want to add, ambanis are manipulators of everything which is very transparent, with money power than can do anything in India possibly overseas for business. We have not yet forgotten SIR DHIRUBHAI thats why we are flocking to reliance, if we are cheated, they will see it by themselves.
ajaz.