Nifty 2 Points - How to trade

#11
noting warry in trade nifty sabse pahle ek kam karna 5 minit intra day chart lagana or RSI AND WILIAM K%DONO SATH LAGANA 5 minit chart mai high or low leawal per aap apne man jaisi trade karsakte ho rsi 80 high lewal or 25 low lewal rakhna
 

onlinegtrash

Well-Known Member
#12
Hello ,

I am interested in going ahead with scalping.
Am interested in only 2 points in NIFTY (one trade per day)
(ie 1 point in the nifty option) using Zerodha for big number of lots (200 - 300).

Would like to get some guidance from the experienced members.

1. Is it worthwhile to look at Oscillators (RSI / MACD / ROC etc)
(Cause only for a target of 2 points and a short time frame of a couple of minutes).
If yes , which would be the best indicators for this and approach to use them.

2. What would be a better way to get to capture those 2 points with more surety. (Other observations to consider and how - volume / time of day / buy-sell difference etc)

3.What would be a good system to place the orders.
(My thought For eg. when Nifty is at 5000 -
Place a SL-L order to buy at 5010 and immediately place an order to sell the entire at 5011). During the day if NIFTY does cross 5010 both orders will get execute and fetch the 1 point. Likewise do for a PUT option incase downward.
Either way my buy and sell must be executed.
Only flaw is that if it just touches 5010 and does not go to 5011 - thats a risk which must be taken and some experience or comments here may advise how to get the better of such situations.

Please suggest Money management and safety techniques.

4. Is 300 - 500 lots a big number - to affect the pricing.
(Any limit to number of lots that can be traded by an individual)

Looking forward to some good advise.

Thanks

My thought process is such -
1. Options provide the highest multiplication factor than Cash / Future / Margin by broker etc
2. Interested in scalping - as I find it difficult to "predict" direction of markets during the day or week or month.
Really impressed with credit spreads (understand options well also) but do not really think that will be able to get a good assessment of the movement in the month. Better to grasp what we can
3. With just 1 point per day (getting .5% of return on capital translates to 12% per month which is phenomenal)
Is your betting acc several times bigger than 200-500 lots ? If not, you may be over risking your betting account, an occasional drawdown will completely ruin this set up, if you are betting 100% of your account money (If you are trying to do this in options, forget that! or still better teach me!) despite your SL risk management.

Whatever you do, don't start with fully leveraging your account, that's sure fire way to ruins!
start small, if you find the strategy working then add volume ! 300-500 lot size is drop in the ocean, it can't move markets!
 
#13
I got your point. You put a buy order at 5010. Lets assume it gets filled at 200 lots. And you have a sell order at 5011. Now lets assume it moves up to 5010.5 and then something happens because of which market falls by 10 points. What then?

Trading without stop loss is like suicide my friend. Please be careful. All traders do have such plans of trading in 1000 Nifty and getting just 1 point. But it never happens like that. Remember that more than 80% of all traders fail. Please remember 2 or 3 consecutive losses will create a terrible psychological impact. I strongly suggest you try it in paper trading for atleast 15 days and then see for yourself.
 
#14
Someone mentioned "Not Possible at all"
It would be nice to provide some reasoning , as honestly I would like to understand why.

Any other inputs on how / whether / why not to "mini scalp"

Can someone please tell with surety how the SL-L works.
If present market is at 5000 , I place a buy order for 5010 , and sell order 5011 both simultaneously at present. Assuming market does head upwards to 5020 - or whatever more. Will they not get executed flawlessly ? Or is it possible that someone randomly places a sell order at a higher price and my order matches it despite the overall market not being at that point yet ?

And if 300 - 400 lots is a drop in the ocean , then I shouldnt be concerned that the market may quickly head upwards and my order may not get fulfilled despite it crossing the point. That is , the movement may take it to 5020 quickly and my buy order at 5010 will be left unfulfilled as the movement was too soon.
 
#15
If present market is at 5000 , I place a buy order for 5010 , and sell order 5011 both simultaneously at present.
So, you are dividing your capital in 2 parts, right ? Half of your money is blocked for the "buy" order, and half for "sell" order. Fine. That is very much likely to get you your 1 point for HALF, and then you will need another similar trade to make 1 point for the whole.

You will only face problems if the index reverses between your buy and sell prices.

What is your breakeven in banknifty ?? It is much faster moving and the chances of scalping 1-2 points better than in nifty.
 
#16
Someone mentioned "Not Possible at all"
It would be nice to provide some reasoning , as honestly I would like to understand why.

Any other inputs on how / whether / why not to "mini scalp"

Can someone please tell with surety how the SL-L works.
If present market is at 5000 , I place a buy order for 5010 , and sell order 5011 both simultaneously at present. Assuming market does head upwards to 5020 - or whatever more. Will they not get executed flawlessly ? Or is it possible that someone randomly places a sell order at a higher price and my order matches it despite the overall market not being at that point yet ?

And if 300 - 400 lots is a drop in the ocean , then I shouldnt be concerned that the market may quickly head upwards and my order may not get fulfilled despite it crossing the point. That is , the movement may take it to 5020 quickly and my buy order at 5010 will be left unfulfilled as the movement was too soon.
The problem here is if u place a buy stop order at market it can be filled at any price above trigger so the sell cannot be placed simultaneously.:)

A limit buy stop may not be filled at all if the limit price is gapped...so there

Another problem would be u would need to put up margin to short sell options without a buy in place.

rework a little:D cheers
 
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#18
very simple put a sl at 4 points.(2 points in option)
stop if u r winner the first time.
if looser then play until u r winner 2 point overall.
i.e if first looser then needs 3 wins to call it a day.
if first two are looser then needs 5 wins to call it a day and so on....
easy peasy ;)
so you keep on trading till you get 2 points irrespective of losing trades? Thats not easy peasy dear, that is a perfect recipe to lose your capital:lol:
 

sumosanammain

Well-Known Member
#19
Why not let him do a 100 trades and come back with the stastics?
Maybe with 50 lots to start with.

The allure of 2 points a day bites almost all day traders at one point or the other :D

It has to be addressed :D
Usually by making a substantial donation to the market Gods.
 
#20
The allure of 2 points a day bites almost all day traders at one point or the other :D
It has to be addressed :D
Usually by making a substantial donation to the market Gods.
Nothing wrong with the Alure -
Of Course there are some considerations - thats why there are these forums to discuss and be cautioned. It would be pleasant if you would support in not making the donation.
Most others in the forum , have considered only 5 - 7 points , thats why thought that 1 - 2 point may be achievable , Zerodha has come in the last couple of years , this may not have been possible without it.

What would be helpful is some experience to highlight how and when to enter the trade.