Loosers...try this before u loose further :)

I was about to reply like given below in my another thread....and i saw so many loosers in other threads, with no clue how to play it safe in markets..

For the benefit of them, i have given it here...it is not something astronomical but believe me, even these simple things strikes only when said....And i also think that u guys over-trade to loose.

So try this ....please for ur family's sake, dont loose further

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Its a simple math...try like this...

For eg..if u have a capital of Rs 10000 then u get an exposure of 50k

Take some stock like DLF or Sesa or Yesbank....all in 300 rs range

For 10k cap our aim is to earn 100 per day which is 1%

So for 50k exposure, we can take position for around 150 shares

The above said stocks have a very good volatility of around 3

Any strategy will get u 1.5Rs minimum...so book half at 0.5Re, 25% at 1Re and rest 25% at 1.5Rs.

By taking the same eg...
75nos at 0.5Re = 37.5 profit
38nos at 1.0Re = 38.0
37nos at 1.5Re = 55.5
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Total 131
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And then reduce brokerage, u will get ur Target of 100 which is 1% of cap

So with just 1 trade, u can achieve ur tgt daily....so sit and watch where to take that trade...u will get it one day

Believe me that those above mentioned stocks have a very good range of 5 to 10 rs daily and it should not be a problem to get minimum 1.5Re from that range...
Look at DLF today...it had a range of 20rs

So try my dear friends

thank you frnd.if i have 10000k.how much gives the brokers limit to me in online trading.

I hope you know what you have written, 10000k means 1crore.You will get
5 times exposure in case of equities.Next time whenever you visit broker,he
welcomes you with red carpet.

Hi Boona,

I am getting exposure then much more that u said. In rs 5000/- i get 125000/- exposure in margin plus in icicidirect. But the only problem is that i dont know which share will go up fom spot price and which will go down.. if you can tell me that then i shall be highly oblised.

Nice calculation. Please try it and post your result after 22 trading days(nearly a month)

You target 136(leave brokrage aside) is just .26% of your Margin Money(50K).
If you try for .26% what would be you stop loss ? .26% of 350 = 0.90
If you keep .90 stoploss it will be broken in few mins unless you are very lucky to catch only up move.

Good luck. Would love to see you profit (may be a nice party ) after a month

I dont understand why ppl are always pessimistic....(there wud be question like, why in India, bad news is always the Breaking news)

i just do this buddy for my living

I dont get where u got that 0.26%....all iam talking here is abt 0.5Re on a 300Re stock which is roughly 0.16% of price

So why dont u atleast think that probability of price hitting the first tgt and SL is equal? Even if it hits the SL on ur first trade, there are other trades which can be taken...there are other stocks on which we will get trades...be optimistic

Over a period of time we will know which are the best probable trades on which price will hit the tgt first instead of SL....once the tgt is hit then we can always change the SL for the remaining qty to 0.5Re, so that even if that SL is hit then we are set to loose only the brokerage...

I dont think people are so Dumb not to get a single high probable good trade on a day with single stock...if they do it, iam sure that they dont loose

be positive :thumb:

Hi Boona,

One request from my end....

You will perhaps agree that trading on margin is the undoing of most traders & the successful ones who use the margin available are adept with good batting average will perhaps have their own tried & tested method....

Therefore, if going by the thread name 'Loosers.....' are perhaps the ones with uncanny knack of picking loosers most of the time...which brings me to my request....if you can do away with the leverage in the calculation illustrated in your first post...would be of great service to the consistent loosers.

Happy & Safer Trading

SavantGarde

no comments on your living using this system.

Let assume that hitting target and Stop loss has equal opportunity.
Taking brokerage and other charges in account you will make profit only if your hit rate(when you hit target first) is more than 75% . I doubt if your strategy (in fact it is not a strategy, just hit and run and win if luck favours you) can do that.

Its not about being me optimistic or pessimistic. I replied to your post for new traders who might read your post and want to try and land up in loss

Do we have to teach new traders to land them in loss??

I have seen so many threads where they openly claim that they lost 50k in 2 days...iam deeply saddened after seeing those

new traders...they see big moves in charts and feel that they can get that movement every day easily...they calculate how much return wud that be if they had taken position of 1000 shares.....they tend to forget that these movements happens rarely....and its real tough work to get to that big moves

But before that, let them play it safe with small profits...let them try and earn 0.5 or 1% everyday...or most of the days...can u deny how much CONFIDENCE that these small winnings will instill into them?

i havent discussed anything about great/good strategies...but want them to earn consistently...let them try with just 10k capital...its an acid test for them to earn 100Rs consistently before increasing their capital

I want those losers to know that there are ways to earn minimum profits everyday, suppressing their greed to earn mega big moves, make this as their career of choice...

As u rightly said that taking that one good right trade is the key...over a period of time they will pickup to tuneup their brain to spot that one trade which wud give them that minimum profits....if i can do it, anyone in this world has the capability to do it...only thing is that they need to channelise their mind towards it...but before learning the art, losers just see big moves on the charts and let greed take over them....

markets are perennial....our brain handles only 2 jobs at a time effectively...what is the point in analysing 20 charts intraday and scramble our brain to loose our capital

As someone said earlier in this very thread, these 1% winnings wud be a goldmine if taken consistently...imagine return of 20% every month on ur capital or even 10/15% is worth it

Sir .. frankly i dont know

i do this way daily and i have written that way

I use the normal leverage of 5 times...and i havent suggested to use 20 times

as i said earlier, it hurts deeply when i see ppl claiming that they lost 20/50k in 1 trade...or lost their entire capital in 5 trades....how can they do it?

if u feel that the thread's heading need to be changed, plz do it sir