How to trade with an oscillator

avad

Well-Known Member
Smart_trade da,

I have backtested the data of about 3 months and have made some observations and developed some rules(based on posts from you and Raaghav) regarding entry with stochastics. Plz go through them and if anything is missing or incorrect kindly correct me----


RULES ----

1.Never buy/sell in overbough or oversold region even if stoch stays in the ob/os regions for mre than 5 bars. Wait for the stoch to go in to neutral and when it again turns , take the trade.(basically this is Raaghavs observation and on backtesting i found that it avoids false signals and gives good risk to reward ratio)

2. yesterdays high , low, vloume point of control play an important role.Hence it pays to have them on the chart.

3.when price moves up towards a previous known resistance/ or a reversal candle pattern is formed....that area is the new resistance. Look where the stoch is...if in ob then short. But shorting must only be done after 3BAR RULE.(exception if stoch is staying in ob region for greater than 5 bars)

(3 bar rule is something that i again picked from Raaghav. If a bar is formed at some resistance level and stoch is in ob region wait for the next 2 candlestick bar to form. they both must take out the previous bars ow. by this time the stoch has invariably moveed down from ob region.)

4.On GAp up , Gap down days do not trade upto 10.15-10.30am as the stoch gives false signals.

5.USE THE STOCH JUST S AN INDICATOR ,LET THE PRICE MOVE FIRST AND USE STOCH TO CONFIRM ITS MOVEMENT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Now I have tried this technique on different markets and will say how the technique works in diferent markets----

1.Equity market----okay. about 40-45 percent trades are false and the remaining trades are not great if we dont get a good broker.

2.Indices---Works great for nifty, banknifty, midcap nifty, sensex.

3.commodity---works exceptionally well for daytrading in commodities.

Smart_Trade da....plz recheck if i have mentioned something that is not correct.
 

tempest

Well-Known Member
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Hi ST,

Due to your inputs regarding Stoch, it has become one of THE best weapons in my trading armoury,

With reference to above 5min NF of today, one can see the Stoch staying in OS region for , god know how many candle ( i lost count :lol::lol: ). I was itching to enter on the pullback but it never went to neutral zone.

Just wanted your thoughts..........is it one of those rare cases where the momentum is so high , the 5 bar rule is rendered ineffective? By that I mean we dont get a chance to enter/add? any ways of spotting this ?

Anyway thanks for everything ( on this and other threads):thumb:
 

murthyavr

Well-Known Member
Smart_trade da,

I have backtested the data of about 3 months and have made some observations and developed some rules(based on posts from you and Raaghav) regarding entry with stochastics. Plz go through them and if anything is missing or incorrect kindly correct me----


RULES ----

1.Never buy/sell in overbough or oversold region even if stoch stays in the ob/os regions for mre than 5 bars. Wait for the stoch to go in to neutral and when it again turns , take the trade.(basically this is Raaghavs observation and on backtesting i found that it avoids false signals and gives good risk to reward ratio)

2. yesterdays high , low, vloume point of control play an important role.Hence it pays to have them on the chart.

3.when price moves up towards a previous known resistance/ or a reversal candle pattern is formed....that area is the new resistance. Look where the stoch is...if in ob then short. But shorting must only be done after 3BAR RULE.(exception if stoch is staying in ob region for greater than 5 bars)

(3 bar rule is something that i again picked from Raaghav. If a bar is formed at some resistance level and stoch is in ob region wait for the next 2 candlestick bar to form. they both must take out the previous bars ow. by this time the stoch has invariably moveed down from ob region.)

4.On GAp up , Gap down days do not trade upto 10.15-10.30am as the stoch gives false signals.

5.USE THE STOCH JUST S AN INDICATOR ,LET THE PRICE MOVE FIRST AND USE STOCH TO CONFIRM ITS MOVEMENT NOT THE OTHER WAY AROUND.

Now I have tried this technique on different markets and will say how the technique works in diferent markets----

1.Equity market----okay. about 40-45 percent trades are false and the remaining trades are not great if we dont get a good broker.

2.Indices---Works great for nifty, banknifty, midcap nifty, sensex.

3.commodity---works exceptionally well for daytrading in commodities.

Smart_Trade da....plz recheck if i have mentioned something that is not correct.
Your rules seem to have got better inspiration from Raghav's thread,
rather than from the essence of ST/DeMark's stoch theory.

In fact, some of the assumptions you are making are against the observations
of ST..

A good strategy always tries to focus on minimum number of aspects to be
looked into - like this Oscillator strategy.

Any suggestion to include as many lines or as many parameters possible, on
your chart will result in having too many lines on your chart; and every time
you are about to enter into a trade, some line on the chart shouts "No, don't
enter..!!"

(If your rule no. 1 was to be followed, the trader would have lost a 200 point
downslide of NIFTY today..!)
 
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Hi ST,

Due to your inputs regarding Stoch, it has become one of THE best weapons in my trading armoury,

With reference to above 5min NF of today, one can see the Stoch staying in OS region for , god know how many candle ( i lost count :lol::lol: ). I was itching to enter on the pullback but it never went to neutral zone.

Just wanted your thoughts..........is it one of those rare cases where the momentum is so high , the 5 bar rule is rendered ineffective? By that I mean we dont get a chance to enter/add? any ways of spotting this ?

Anyway thanks for everything ( on this and other threads):thumb:
Thanks for the kind words, tempest.....

Yes today's momentum on downside was exceptional and such strong markets will not give any meaningful pullback for you to enter. On such days you can enter on bars lows such as 2:15, 2:35 or 2:50 and keep stoploss at high of the bar. It is a great entry with very small stops and in a strongly trending market, the trade becomes a multibagger in a few minutes. Today many must have made 7-8 % of their capital in the last down move itself if positions are taken on 1 % risk....

Smart_trade
 

rangarajan

Well-Known Member
Thanks for the kind words, tempest.....

Yes today's momentum on downside was exceptional and such strong markets will not give any meaningful pullback for you to enter. On such days you can enter on bars lows such as 2:15, 2:35 or 2:50 and keep stoploss at high of the bar. It is a great entry with very small stops and in a strongly trending market, the trade becomes a multibagger in a few minutes. Today many must have made 7-8 % of their capital in the last down move itself if positions are taken on 1 % risk....

Smart_trade
Dear Smart,
In one of yr earlier posts,u had mentioned that if a stock remains in ob/os region for much more than 5bars,say 10bars,even on retracement/pull back,it is not prudent to enter anticipating original trend to continue because of exhaustion.
That being the case,even on pull back today was it wise to add shorts?Ofcourse s/l r there.

I have also observed yr strategy works very well in commodities & NF than in equity.(Disclaimer: :) All my tradings are only in Paper & i am posting charts & queries only for discussion. I read somewhere that 'Even a Best teacher could not give out his Best ,unless & until questions r asked by students" :)
 
Dear Smart,
In one of yr earlier posts,u had mentioned that if a stock remains in ob/os region for much more than 5bars,say 10bars,even on retracement/pull back,it is not prudent to enter anticipating original trend to continue because of exhaustion.
That being the case,even on pull back today was it wise to add shorts?Ofcourse s/l r there.

I have also observed yr strategy works very well in commodities & NF than in equity.(Disclaimer: :) All my tradings are only in Paper & i am posting charts & queries only for discussion. I read somewhere that 'Even a Best teacher could not give out his Best ,unless & until questions r asked by students" :)
Yes the oscillator staying in OS zone for 10 bars or above, the bearish pressure gets exhausted and the stock may reverse. But I have always been taking positions between 5 bars and 10-12 bars with stops as the real money is made in this area.

One has to understand the situation in the market.....blindly following a method one can never be successful. The market was breaking its lows,so enter with 10-12 points stoploss. Trade with traders mindset and not analyst's mindset.

In trading all situations cannot be fitted in a method/conditions and that is why totally mechanical systems do average performance. We need to use our judgement which no formula or algorithm can capture. Methods are templates...don't be slave to the method.

Smart_trade
 
Dear ST,
At your free time, please reply how you have traded todays trade based on osc, as osc was below 20 more than 5 bars between 12;40 TO 13:15. as I was waiting to short sell but osc went into overbought zone and when osc gave sell signal I coudnt short sell the risk was not in my limit. Market fell by 65 points and could not trade, because of risk.

regards,
anjanbm
 

VJAY

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Sorry ST sir & friends...
Actualy I edited that teachers day as Happy birthday.....but the image which uploaded is missed my editing :)

Wishing you here as belated HAPPY BIRTH DAY.....stda :)
 

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