A view on commodities

DSM

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Hi Dax Devil,

I can understand your frustration - but be assured that this is a misunderstanding. There was no restriction on new members post being published till recent times. However, some unscrupulous elements opened accounts and soon started spamming and posted tel. numbers related to escorts etc. Thereafter the posting policy for new members became a bit stringent to weed out such post. I think once a member's credential and intentions are verified to be genuine, there is no issue about posting....

Hello DSM
Sorry to bother you but I just wrote a post and the message propped up that a moderator will check it before publishing. Is it normal practice here for the new members? I thought such relic idea to control was confined to Moneycontrol boards only. That is why I shifted to Traderji, as some friend said TJ was the best place to discuss trading because of its respect for intellectual freedom, and moderators here just moderate the flow of post invisibly. However, if that be not the case, then it is ok. I like your thread and many others too. Anyhow tt was nice being here as long as it lasted. Thanks. Take care.
 

Dax Devil

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Hi Dax Devil,

I can understand your frustration - but be assured that this is a misunderstanding. There was no restriction on new members post being published till recent times. However, some unscrupulous elements opened accounts and soon started spamming and posted tel. numbers related to escorts etc. Thereafter the posting policy for new members became a bit stringent to weed out such post. I think once a member's credential and intentions are verified to be genuine, there is no issue about posting....
I understand you completely. I am all for it. I think yesterday TJ team being on holiday or something, the extra care had to be taken. If I were a moderator I would do the same if unwanted trouble making could be deterred anyhow. Guess I was a bit hasty in judging. No worries. Thanks again.
 

Catch22

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(15Apr2015 20:01:24) : Crude inventory Update- U.S commercial Crude oil inventories increased by 1.3 million barrels from the previous week.(Forecast 3.5 M)(Previous 10.90 M) Data Positive for Crude
 

Snake.Head

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(15Apr2015 20:01:24) : Crude inventory Update- U.S commercial Crude oil inventories increased by 1.3 million barrels from the previous week.(Forecast 3.5 M)(Previous 10.90 M) Data Positive for Crude
So this reason for spike.
market reacted to bullish supply news.

Should't be excess inventories result in downwards price.
When supply is more price fall and short then price rises.

Guys how do you reads those inventories reports ?
 
So this reason for spike.
market reacted to bullish supply news.

Should't be excess inventories result in downwards price.
When supply is more price fall and short then price rises.

Guys how do you reads those inventories reports ?
Trade the 8 PM bar :)

As soon as the zig-zag moves settles down after the announcements, usually we get a good intraday trend . . . 40/50 points one side move :thumb:


Thanks
 

DSM

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Hi Snake.Head,

Below is the inventory report. The highlighted is the important part. The inventories were expected to be +3,450, but actual was below expectations at +1,294 which is basically bullish as compared to expectations. However, it must be noted that crude does not always behave in a rational manner as one would expect. At times bearish reports end up with crude closing higher and bullish report are sold into....

15/04/2015 20:00:44 : DOE US Crude oil inventories Exp {+3540 K} Pre {+10949K} Actual {+1294 K}
DOE Cushing OK Crude Inventories Exp {+680K} Pre {+1232K} Actual { +1287K}
DOE US. Gasoline inventories Exp {-660 K} Prev {+817 K} Actual { -2072 K}
DOE US. Distillate inventory Exp {+255 K} Prev {-250 K} Actual { +2017 K}
DOE US. Refinery utilization Exp {+0.64 %} Prev {+0.70 %} Actual { +2.20 %}


So this reason for spike.
market reacted to bullish supply news.

Should't be excess inventories result in downwards price.
When supply is more price fall and short then price rises.

Guys how do you reads those inventories reports ?
 

Snake.Head

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Trade the 8 PM bar :)

As soon as the zig-zag moves settles down after the announcements, usually we get a good intraday trend . . . 40/50 points one side move :thumb:


Thanks
Trend Moves are best.It is better know when news/report can make price swing any directions.
Below is 5min Crudeoil mini chart for yesterday.
7.50 and 7.55 bars where good bear bar and second leg down.Would ideal bar to take short position.
Very next bar 8 PM bar was big bull bar


Hi Snake.Head,

Below is the inventory report. The highlighted is the important part. The inventories were expected to be +3,450, but actual was below expectations at +1,294 which is basically bullish as compared to expectations. However, it must be noted that crude does not always behave in a rational manner as one would expect. At times bearish reports end up with crude closing higher and bullish report are sold into....

15/04/2015 20:00:44 : DOE US Crude oil inventories Exp {+3540 K} Pre {+10949K} Actual {+1294 K}
DOE Cushing OK Crude Inventories Exp {+680K} Pre {+1232K} Actual { +1287K}
DOE US. Gasoline inventories Exp {-660 K} Prev {+817 K} Actual { -2072 K}
DOE US. Distillate inventory Exp {+255 K} Prev {-250 K} Actual { +2017 K}
DOE US. Refinery utilization Exp {+0.64 %} Prev {+0.70 %} Actual { +2.20 %}
US Crude oil inventories Exp {+3540 K} Pre {+10949K} Actual {+1294 K}
Report came lower then expected,Which mean supply is short then expected.ideal would be taking long setup only.
keep reports in mind are good to know that you don't take trade on wrong side.
Price action too play important part like MM target for 8 PM bar.It no way you can be sure that those target will meet requirement.
But there was 2 confirm setup after 8pm bar,which would have given 20-40 point,depending where you enter them.
I would have exit my entry of 2nd pullback on next reversal of 8.40pm bar
There is no way we can catch each and every move.Plus psychology and risk management key
 

narangji

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This is how I do --Click on day candles in the chart for previous days values .For the running /live day ..Open price ,prev close and days range is written below the Live price . which is 3rd line above the chart
Ex today's is --
Prev. Close: 51.91
Open: 52.02
Day's Range: 51.84 - 53.41
http://www.investing.com/commodities/crude-oil ,when the page opens it is in line chart , click technical chart ..Guess you know this.


For pivots you may find this link useful ,wherein you have the option to change the time frame as well...
http://www.investing.com/technical/commodities-pivot-points

I go to live streaming chart and calculate with dollar price, but always comes out to be incorrect, DSM has mentioned in one of threads how to calculate exact price.
 

DSM

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Narangji, Copied below previous post : In essence, consider the closing price of commodity on MCX, multiply by % change in open in Comex and multiply by change in price of USDINR pair.

Snake.Head,

All commodity prices are denominated in US$'s. As our local commodity prices are in INR, the commodity prices will move in relation to % change in price of commodity as well as % change in price of USDINR pair. So assuming there has been no overnight change in price of crude in the international markets, there should be no change in price of crude on MCX as well. But if USDINR pair has moved up (the Dollar has become stronger vs INR) by say 1%, the price of Crude (as also all other commodities should move up approximately by 1%) Having said that, opening prices on MCX has its own dynamics, as they take cues from European and American markets. So if these markets are expected to trade stronger/weaker, the MCX commodity prices will factor these as well....

DSM I remember u once mentioned in thread how to calculate it, I tried but cant find it. Can you please tell me the method?
 

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