Vanished Funds at INDIABULLS

#1
Could not verify the Source of the Magazine. Got this from other forum, If anyone had come accross similar issue please post in this thread.

Pravin.
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Vanished Funds at INDIABULLS



Vanished Funds BY "SUCHETA DALAL " (Article was published in a leading daily newspaper.)

Sucheta Dalal ``We are desperate. How can such a fraud go unnoticed and unpunished? I hope you can help us,'' wrote Amrutha Radhakrishnan. The anguish stems from an eight-month battle with Indiabulls Securities the firm that attracts international attention. Amrutha's husband S. Radhakrishnan opened a demat account with Indiabulls at Chennai in May 2001 and signed a Power of Attorney allowing the broker to issue instructions on his behalf. Although he lost some money earlier, his real problems began only in 2004 after depositing 16,104 HCL Tech shares (received as ESOPs) into his account. Soon after, he swapped 16,000 HCL Tech shares for 4,000 shares of Infosys. A little later he discovered that his Internet-based demat account viewing facility was inaccessible. In January 2005, after informal warnings by an insider, he went to Indiabulls and was shocked to discover that instead of the expected balance of over a Rs one crore, his account had just Rs 300. Radhakrishnan claims not to have received any detailed statement of transactions even today and is convinced that he is the victim of a major fraud. They are running from pillar to post, speaking to Indiabulls, the Police at Chennai, the National Stock Exchange (NSE) and the Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) to get justice. He has even filed two FIRs with the police. Responding to our query, Indiabulls says, ``The client has lost money in speculation in the markets. It has been over one year, the client has willingly not initiated a lawful process to address his greviances (sic)''. Indiabulls wants an arbitration process to decide this issue. But other investors have had similar problems with the firm too and a more astonishing story begins here.
Mystery shopper
Acting on a similar complaint, the National Securities Depository Ltd. (NSDL) discovered that Indiabulls asks investors to sign a compulsory Power of Attorney (POA) at the time of account opening. This allows it to issue trading instructions for the client. This is akin to banks holding customer POAs allowing it to move cash in and out of accounts. When NSDL confronted Indiabulls, it denied the charge claiming POAs were not mandatory. It told us, ``These days clients typically prefer POAs to avoid any auction in the T+2 settlement system''. The NSDL however verified this claim through a ``mystery shopper'' process. This not only confirmed the POA compulsion but also revealed that Indiabulls often stipulates that the investor cannot ever issue instructions to operate his/her own account (Indiabulls response is that investors are always free to revoke the POA). National Securities Depository Ltd's chairman C.B. Bhave says that Indiabulls has been told that it cannot mandate POAs or prevent investors issuing demat instructions. This raised worries about potential misuse and the depository decided to inspect Indiabulls with help from the National Stock Exchange (NSE). This, in turn, led to further revelations.
Pooling accounts
The joint inspection by NSE and NSDL in September revealed muddled audit trails in several transactions at Indiabulls. Bhave says that once shares were credited into a broker pool account under Sebi rules, Indiabulls moves them to two other pool accounts it has created. In one account it credits investments of those clients who operate margin trading accounts funded by a sister finance firm and in the other it credits investments of those clients who have not availed of a margin trading facility from Indiabulls. These two accounts are separate and distinct from the broker pool account mandated by Sebi. Indiabulls says that it is no different from other brokers and that it keeps audit trails of every transaction. More importantly, it says, ``share movements of random clients is verified by NSDL in their surprise inspections. There have been never (sic) a single instance at Indiabulls where shares of some other client has been delivered for someone else's obligations' '. This is contrary to what the NSDL Chairman tells us. In fact, Bhave says that the issue is not about the software or its vendors but about blurring audit trails by routing transactions through the second-stage pool accounts. NSDL is not alone in questioning Indiabulls' methods. NSE's deputy managing director Chitra Ramakrishna says, ``The exchange has already issued a show cause notice to the member (Indiabulls) and the disciplinary process is underway''. Senior SEBI executives tell us that the regulator has also conducted its own investigation of Indiabulls and appropriate action will follow.
Investor Beware
In September, we warned investors about the practice followed by many large brokerage firms of getting investors to sign POAs giving themselves sweeping rights over investors' shares and money. The POA is often slipped into the account opening forms. The example mentioned above shows how dangerous this is. The broker remains in the driver's seat as the exchange and Indiabulls try to push the investor into a tedious arbitration process, when he believes it is a criminal matter. Sebi needs to ensure that investors are forced into a lengthy arbitration only after a serious attempt to settle cases involving individual investors through persuasion, otherwise they are always at a disadvantage.

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#3
HI...
am also new to traderji but the thing is that this site is very informative and as far as i m concerned, i m having a demat account with idirect...now the other day my brother-in-law's friend caught up with me and is asking me to open a demat account with indiabulls (now this guy works with ibulls)... i went thru the net collecting as much details as possible bout the bulls and to my horror, major postings were negative.. and this post is i think the last nail..i m a small, pretty small, investor and shud i be going in for an ibulls account.. pls advice me...
 
C

CAGE

Guest
#5
I recently opened an account with indiabulls and i've gotta say that these guys are truly incompetent. They opened the account with all the wrong details and months later they still haven't rectified it. Fortunately for me i have other brokers who are professional. Pay attention to all the bad things you hear abt indiabulls and other brokers too. It might save you from a lot of trouble in the future .
 

shrinivas

Well-Known Member
#7
my open contracts vanished in options segment....since then bye bye indiabulls
and me......lost my wealth...tried to catch them, and they proved to be smart inuff......they proved that they were right....bye bye indiabulls from tht time....they had done lots of wrong trades frm my account and i do not have the details of the same till now..

ganeshhity
 
#9
Could not verify the Source of the Magazine. Got this from other forum, If anyone had come accross similar issue please post in this thread.

Pravin.
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Vanished Funds at INDIABULLS



Vanished Funds BY "SUCHETA DALAL " (Article was published in a leading daily newspaper.)

Sucheta Dalal ``We are desperate. How can such a fraud go unnoticed and unpunished? I hope you can help us,'' wrote Amrutha Radhakrishnan. The anguish stems from an eight-month battle with Indiabulls Securities the firm that attracts international attention. Amrutha's husband S. Radhakrishnan opened a demat account with Indiabulls at Chennai in May 2001 and signed a Power of Attorney allowing the broker to issue instructions on his behalf. Although he lost some money earlier, his real problems began only in 2004 after depositing 16,104 HCL Tech shares (received as ESOPs) into his account. Soon after, he swapped 16,000 HCL Tech shares for 4,000 shares of Infosys. A little later he discovered that his Internet-based demat account viewing facility was inaccessible. In January 2005, after informal warnings by an insider, he went to Indiabulls and was shocked to discover that instead of the expected balance of over a Rs one crore, his account had just Rs 300. Radhakrishnan claims not to have received any detailed statement of transactions even today and is convinced that he is the victim of a major fraud. They are running from pillar to post, speaking to Indiabulls, the Police at Chennai, the National Stock Exchange (NSE) and the Securities and Exchange Board of India (Sebi) to get justice. He has even filed two FIRs with the police. Responding to our query, Indiabulls says, ``The client has lost money in speculation in the markets. It has been over one year, the client has willingly not initiated a lawful process to address his greviances (sic)''. Indiabulls wants an arbitration process to decide this issue. But other investors have had similar problems with the firm too and a more astonishing story begins here.
Mystery shopper
Acting on a similar complaint, the National Securities Depository Ltd. (NSDL) discovered that Indiabulls asks investors to sign a compulsory Power of Attorney (POA) at the time of account opening. This allows it to issue trading instructions for the client. This is akin to banks holding customer POAs allowing it to move cash in and out of accounts. When NSDL confronted Indiabulls, it denied the charge claiming POAs were not mandatory. It told us, ``These days clients typically prefer POAs to avoid any auction in the T+2 settlement system''. The NSDL however verified this claim through a ``mystery shopper'' process. This not only confirmed the POA compulsion but also revealed that Indiabulls often stipulates that the investor cannot ever issue instructions to operate his/her own account (Indiabulls response is that investors are always free to revoke the POA). National Securities Depository Ltd's chairman C.B. Bhave says that Indiabulls has been told that it cannot mandate POAs or prevent investors issuing demat instructions. This raised worries about potential misuse and the depository decided to inspect Indiabulls with help from the National Stock Exchange (NSE). This, in turn, led to further revelations.
Pooling accounts
The joint inspection by NSE and NSDL in September revealed muddled audit trails in several transactions at Indiabulls. Bhave says that once shares were credited into a broker pool account under Sebi rules, Indiabulls moves them to two other pool accounts it has created. In one account it credits investments of those clients who operate margin trading accounts funded by a sister finance firm and in the other it credits investments of those clients who have not availed of a margin trading facility from Indiabulls. These two accounts are separate and distinct from the broker pool account mandated by Sebi. Indiabulls says that it is no different from other brokers and that it keeps audit trails of every transaction. More importantly, it says, ``share movements of random clients is verified by NSDL in their surprise inspections. There have been never (sic) a single instance at Indiabulls where shares of some other client has been delivered for someone else's obligations' '. This is contrary to what the NSDL Chairman tells us. In fact, Bhave says that the issue is not about the software or its vendors but about blurring audit trails by routing transactions through the second-stage pool accounts. NSDL is not alone in questioning Indiabulls' methods. NSE's deputy managing director Chitra Ramakrishna says, ``The exchange has already issued a show cause notice to the member (Indiabulls) and the disciplinary process is underway''. Senior SEBI executives tell us that the regulator has also conducted its own investigation of Indiabulls and appropriate action will follow.
Investor Beware
In September, we warned investors about the practice followed by many large brokerage firms of getting investors to sign POAs giving themselves sweeping rights over investors' shares and money. The POA is often slipped into the account opening forms. The example mentioned above shows how dangerous this is. The broker remains in the driver's seat as the exchange and Indiabulls try to push the investor into a tedious arbitration process, when he believes it is a criminal matter. Sebi needs to ensure that investors are forced into a lengthy arbitration only after a serious attempt to settle cases involving individual investors through persuasion, otherwise they are always at a disadvantage.

PLEASE FORWARD THIS TO ALL CONCERNED !


Dear Friends:

I do not know the full story and hope these are few isolated instances. The matter is also one year old. However, I feel this thread deserves more serious attention and follow-up from all concerned Investors:

a) Any idea as to what happened to the plight of Radhakrishnans? What action followed the joint findings of NSE & NSDL?

b) Are such instances common with other DPs/Brokers and have been happening regularly? People who go through such experiences or know of such situations must post details in Traderji & other similar Portals at the earliest.

c) Has SEBI taken note of this situation and taken any action in this regard? Or, is there any Ruling by SEBI in this matter, which is being ignored/flouted by the Brokers/DPs? What protection does the Investors get from SEBI in such situations?

d) Why should the client be compelled to keep the entire Demat Securities and funds maintained with a DP at the disposal of the DP and the Broker, by way of a POA in order to be eligible for on-line trading? Does it not mean that if the DP and broker connive, the client has NO SAY and he is left high, dry and pauper??

e) Why is SEBI not banning the practice of DPs & Brokers demanding an IRREVOCABLE GENERAL POWER OF ATTORNEY from clients to transfer any amount of money or securities from their account at the Brokers' or DP's will, even without any further instructions from the client?

f) The practice of POA is demanded by all online trading A/c providers, even today. All 3-in-1 account opening forms I perused insist on an IRREVOCABLE POWER OF ATTORNEY. Why do DPs & Brokers make the IRREVOCABLE POWER OF ATTORNEY a part of their standard Account Opening Forms and that too so GENERAL in nature, giving them sweeping powers to appropriate the clients' entire money and securities? Why can't the client be asked to give Specific Power of Attorneys with prefixed limits that the client is comfortable with, rather than asking for his entire possessions?

g) If the client does not sign any online trading agreement and do not sign any Power of Attorney with his DP, are there possibilities that they can still misuse the client's Demat Account, ie: can they still manipulate the Demat account and play mischief with the client's Shares held by them in Electronic Form?

h) If option (e) above is safe for the client and he opts for same, how does he effect buy/sell transactions?

Do come out with your experiences, views and suggestions. Such posts and clarifications will certainly go a long way in creating awareness amongst investors and in helping gullible investors.

Best wishes & happy investing to all,

RAJ
 

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