Why cant a trader make money in stockmarket?

#1
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if you are an expert provide answers to these questions

A trader purchased a stock after all study and soon it started going down. it hit his stoploss.
after 30 minutes he found it go up vigourly fast rising

why this happens ?

a trader thought everybody likes buying- i go other way- he sold short some then price went up and he lost money.
he started wondering
the buyer lost the seller lost
how to make money?


I have some answers
sorry i cant reveal them now.
The market is designed such a way,that whatever traders do, over 80% of them must loose money.
emotional traders loose very fast
wonderful design

why does it always go against me and take my money?
the trader is worried.
 

Rajvir

Active Member
#2
I would say it is all about discipline, I can show you some trading strategies ( and you also have 1 which gives 54% accuracy and net profit) which provide net profit in backtesting and also in real live trading. But 95% people cant make money using these strategies. You said
The market is designed such a way,that whatever traders do, over 80% of them must loose money.
emotional traders loose very fast

I would say all traders are emotional. If any trader is not emotional , he is not human. Its only machines who dont have emotions. Emotions are the only reason that traders cant make money even with profitable stratgies. And since machine dont have emotions, Wise people prefer Automatic Trading system. Their trades are executed automatically according to their trading systems. And they make Net profit at end of week or month. I do have 2-3 profitable trading stratgies too, but I trade very less nowdays. I have decided to proceed with Automatic trading system only. Talking abt myself, I cant overcome my emotions hence I must not do manual trading.
 

pkgmtnl

Well-Known Member
#3
I would say it is all about discipline, I can show you some trading strategies ( and you also have 1 which gives 54% accuracy and net profit) which provide net profit in backtesting and also in real live trading. But 95% people cant make money using these strategies. You said
The market is designed such a way,that whatever traders do, over 80% of them must loose money.
emotional traders loose very fast

I would say all traders are emotional. If any trader is not emotional , he is not human. Its only machines who dont have emotions. Emotions are the only reason that traders cant make money even with profitable stratgies. And since machine dont have emotions, Wise people prefer Automatic Trading system. Their trades are executed automatically according to their trading systems. And they make Net profit at end of week or month. I do have 2-3 profitable trading stratgies too, but I trade very less nowdays. I have decided to proceed with Automatic trading system only. Talking abt myself, I cant overcome my emotions hence I must not do manual trading.
Rajvir Ji, has very rightly said one of the correct reasons of the losses.

Secondly, differnt traders has different Appetite, few happy with 2K to 3K per day & few not. So decide your trade size and act accordingly.

These days I have opened a/c with ZERODHA and Doing Mechanical type of trading basis my own technique which apparently seems a NOVICE (explained in other post), but as long as it fetching me daily profits whats the harm in it?

ZERODHA has very less brokerage so taking 4 or 6 lots of NIFTY (even if multiples times) gives very less breakeven point and any Loss from SL is quickly covered.
 
#4
hi
I know people who used autopilots and faced heavy drawdowns.
if somebody mentiOns a great autopilot i will tell my friends who lost heavily due to robots


two things both are totally different. but all traders say i have no descipline while actually he has no skill to manage trades.he is not sure of what to o when.
he is confused.
if a rule is in place he would have done as per rule
but he has no rule for this unknown situation on chart
he had no practice'
he never cared to see how many ways things can go and plan his strategy rules for that situation.
system is defective. why blame descipline?
did you test your system on a 500 trades?
if no, you are a trader sans focus.
you are bound to fail as your mind freezes everytime you face a situation that has no guiding rule on what to do how to react

descipline-do as planned
manage your trade -have managing skill

most traders have no trade management skills
in fact they cant manage a trade
they can enter and watch it


when a trader makes a random entry he gets screwed up.by market.for his impulses lack of descipline


TRADE WITH SMALL CAPITAL. LEARN TO LIMIT RISK TO A SET VALUE

PROVE THAT YOU CAN MAKE MONEY
THEN INCREASE YOUR RADIO VOLUME.
 
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Rajvir

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This is backtesting report on 2 months from 03-08-2011 to 03-10-2011. Only 1 contract traded and 1014 points Net profit in 45 trades. Out of 45 trades 17 made profit and 28 made loss. Please give me 1 yr 5 mint Nifty future data. Let me backtest it on 500 trades. Thank you.
 
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praveen taneja

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Rajvir Ji, has very rightly said one of the correct reasons of the losses.

Secondly, differnt traders has different Appetite, few happy with 2K to 3K per day & few not. So decide your trade size and act accordingly.

These days I have opened a/c with ZERODHA and Doing Mechanical type of trading basis my own technique which apparently seems a NOVICE (explained in other post), but as long as it fetching me daily profits whats the harm in it?

ZERODHA has very less brokerage so taking 4 or 6 lots of NIFTY (even if multiples times) gives very less breakeven point and any Loss from SL is quickly covered.
If investment is 50k its enough but for 10lac + its nothing bro it depend on portfolio size too
 

columbus

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ZERODHA has very less brokerage so taking 4 or 6 lots of NIFTY (even if multiples times) gives very less breakeven point and any Loss from SL is quickly covered.
It is not the BROKERAGE that is important ,but PROFIT.
 

Rajvir

Active Member
#9
Well praveen bro, dont say 2-3k is nothing for 10 lac. You may say Its less but not "NOTHING". It makes 6% return a month and will turn your 10 lakh into 20 Cror in 10 yrs.

And 2-3k daily on 50k is not ENOUGH, Its unrealistic. It will turn your 50k into 5 Cror in 39 months :clapping:
 

pkgmtnl

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Well praveen bro, dont say 2-3k is nothing for 10 lac. You may say Its less but not "NOTHING". It makes 6% return a month and will turn your 10 lakh into 20 Cror in 10 yrs.

And 2-3k daily on 50k is not ENOUGH, Its unrealistic. It will turn your 50k into 5 Cror in 39 months :clapping:
Not 50K , but with 1L to 1.50L trading capital, the 2K to 3K is achievable, in NIFTY / MiniSilver..!