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Multiple Time Frames in Trading

One can learn about trends,one learns to correctly identify when a sideways trend breaks out into an uptrend.One learns about all the pivots and all that is required to correctly diagnose a change in trend........and yet one needs to resolve the confusion that multiple time frames offer to our mind.

As always there are few rules that beginners ought to follow:

I am not going to use words like position,swing,intraday here for the simple reason that there are so many time frames and that many traders who trade that timeframe,so not abt to go abt classifying and categorising them.

The Trader who trades the Daily charts:Meaning one who capitalises on the trend as displayed by the Daily charts.Right,.............Look at the Weekly Charts.If the weekly charts are making higher pivot highs and lows,we are in an uptrend.As we had learnt,we look for buy signals in the daily chart.Now what are these buy signals?That depends on your strategy.Here we had discussed about a stock making a higher pivot low and then taking out a previous pivot high as a buy point...........But the point being:Look at the weekly.Analyse the trend.If we are in an uptrend,entry on a buy signal on the daily chart.Exit once we get the sell signal on the daily chart.The sell signal we had discussed here:A break of a previous pivot low in an uptrend,or trailing stop,or some other method that you may have........Once again,the point being:The trade is off the daily charts,the weekly is a guide that tells us the direction that we should follow.We buy the daily,we sell the daily,we position size the daily

We do not have a sell signal on the daily,and then pacify ourselves that we have a strong weekly and it's only a pullback,and the fundamentals are good and CNBC says we are doing great.We get a sell signal,and we have the discipline to cut the trade........Why?Coz we are daily charts traders,that trade does not suddenly shift to some other time frame.

The trader who trades the 15min charts:This trader looks at the 60min charts for a trend analysis and direction.No trend,no trade.Uptrend in the 60,the trader waits for a Buy Signal on the 15.Position sizing on the 15min charts.Trail stops on the 15.Exits as per the 15.One does not look at the 60min and say that it's so bullish and therefore one does not mind the pullback...........coz' simply one is a 15min chart trader.One catches the uptrend on the 15 and one exits when sell signals demand so.One therefore looks to go long on the 15,if the 60 is in an uptrend.One looks to short,if the 60 is in a dntrend.And one sits on hands if the 60min is doing neither.

And so on so forth for all the various time frames...............Never short the 15 when the 60 is in an uptrend.You could make a profitable trade here and there,but the 60 will make you pay dearly at some point.Never enter on the 15,and then get carried away by the uptrend on the 60 and then shift timeframes.For an intraday trader,never disobey the 60min charts.

This,for now.......more later!!

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Many thanks to Saint for his great contribution.

Can anyone post the document in which all the information given in this thread are compiled?

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Something that most of us already know,but for the beginner who hasn't traded these patterns,have a look at .. http://daytradingcoach.com/daytradin...s-course.htm#1

As said before,one must develop the ability to identify certain patterns.Call them by the names given,.......or not bother about the academics.Important thing being:Certain patterns have a predictability around them.We as speculators capitalise on that predictability and make profits.These very predictable patterns when they go in reverse gear become another great money making opportunity as we go in reverse gear ourselves.

One sees a Bull Trap and capitalises on the trade.Stops in place.Position sizing done.Trail stop till out.............what one should NOT be doing is:A bull trap is supposed to be the opening at the previous day's lows or below,but Nifty opened up Rs1 above the previous day's low,so it's not called a Bull Trap,etc etc.Don't forget,while you are busy theorisng,rationalising,logicalising
..........somebody else,probably the simpleton,is busy shorting the markets to glory and laughing all the way to the bank.

Let the intellectual,brilliant market analysts analyse..........we are traders,and we are here to put in one perfect trade after another,to make consistent profits.

And candlesticks and chart patterns can be great weapons in our arsenal.

Happy Trading!
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The Bump and Run Formation

http://stockcharts.com/school/doku.p...nd_run_reversa

This happens so very often......wise to know about it.Once again,learn to identify it.......again,not to theorise but to identify.Can come in handy as a point to exit all longs.

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Behavioral Patterns That Sabotage Traders –Performance Anxiety

By Brett N. Steenbarger, Ph.D.

Consider the following psychological scenarios:

1.A student needs to pass an anatomy course final exam in order to successfully complete his first year in medical school. Because his first several exams were on the borderline between passing and failing, the course grade entirely rides on the final. As the time approaches for the big test, the student finds himself increasingly worried about the test—particularly when he misses questions from his practice exams. The worry interferes with his sleep, which in turn makes him even more concerned that fatigue will prevent him from doing well. By the time he takes the exam, he is tired and nervous and misses many questions, often by second-guessing right answers.

2.A young woman has never been particularly uncomfortable in public speaking situations, but now is asked to give the most important presentation of her career. The result of this presentation could spell the difference between landing a major client for her firm vs. losing the client to a competitor. During the talk, she notices that the audience members from the firm she is wooing don’t seem especially attentive. This suddenly raises her anxiety, and she desperately tries to spice up the presentation. When she loses her place in the talk, she becomes flustered, and finishes the presentation on a hesitant note.

3.A basketball player has been the team’s leading scorer, but starts out a game missing his first five shots. The opposing team is double-teaming him, and he is having difficulty breaking free for open looks at the basket. Determined to take matters into his own hands, he decides to penetrate the opposing defense and draw fouls. Instead, he picks up two quick charging calls. Now fearful of being taken out of the game for his fouls, he searches for his shot by moving a little further out on the perimeter. When these shots don’t fall, he stops looking for his shot and throws two errant passes.

4.A trader has several winning trades in a row and, feeling confident, increases his size to take advantage of his hot streak. The position initially goes in his favor, but quickly reverses when large orders push the market lower. Forced to puke his position, he realizes he has lost all of the profit from his previous, winning trades. He is driven to regain the money and reenters the market, only to get slammed by a second wave of selling. He now feels like he has entered a cold streak and begins trading hesitantly, with reduced size. By the time the market closes, he is down on the day and the week. He feels like a jerk for becoming overconfident after his gains.

No doubt you can detect a pattern in each of these situations. The individual is in a performance situation where he/she experiences pressure to succeed. The situation has taken on a distinct importance in the person’s eyes, and now he/she is focused on the results of the performance—not just the performing itself. This dual focus—worrying or focusing on the outcome of performance while trying to stay immersed in the performance—is the common element behind all performance anxiety. Such anxiety is the single most common trading problem I have encountered in my interviews with traders.

How can traders reduce their level of performance anxiety? Here are a few strategies that I have found to be effective:

1. Focus on process goals when thinking about trading, rather than profits/losses – Traders like to set goals for themselves, yet often as not, monetary goals end up creating unnecessary pressures. More effective goals are ones that focus on the process of trading, such as limiting losses to two ticks if you’re a scalper or holding trades until a trailing stop is hit. A nice mindset is, “If I just trade the right way, the profits will come.” This takes much of the pressure off the performance.

2. Tackle risk incrementally. Risk places a psychological magnifying glass on situations and greatly increases the opportunities for performance pressure. A foul shot in the first minutes of a basketball game is the same foul shot in the final seconds of a tied contest, but there is a huge psychological difference. Traders who try to radically increase their size quickly find that the trade that worked out with 1 contract may not work with 10, because of pressures to (too) quickly limit losses or take profits. A gradual ramping up of size is far more effective than an impulsive leap for which one is emotionally unprepared.

3. Step away from the screen. The self-talk during periods of performance anxiety actually interferes with the accurate processing of market data, because the part of the brain responsible for perceiving and acting upon market patterns is not being activated. It is far better to step away from the screen and refocus on what the market is giving you than to act blindly on one’s fears and compound an already-difficult situation.

4. Use mental rehearsals to make threatening situations familiar. This is perhaps the single most effective technique I have found for reducing and eliminating performance fears. By using guided imagery to repeatedly face threatening situations and mentally rehearse how one would like to respond, one can eliminate much of the stress when those situations actually occur. The goal is to so often face the performance fears in your mind that the coping response becomes automatic, like a habit pattern.

5. Anchor mental rehearsals to distinctive mind states. This is one of the best strategies covered in my book. By learning to place oneself in a state of unusual calm and focus, and then by repeatedly rehearsing coping strategies for threatening situations, a trader can create a link between the mental state and the coping response. When there is a stressful performance situation, all the trader needs to do is invoke the rehearsed mental state and the coping behaviors that have been overlearned will come to the fore. For instance, if you continually mentally rehearse a strategy for holding onto winning trades while sustaining a calm focus, recreating the calm focus during the next winning trade will make it easier to summon the self-talk and behavior associated with holding the position.

6. Perform a mental checklist before trading. Eliminating perfectionistic expectations at the start of the trading day can go a long way toward reducing performance pressures. Any time the word “should” enters one’s thinking about trading, it’s time to step back. “Shoulds” include internal demands to make a certain amount of money, to trade with a particular frequency, to make back money that has been lost, to not leave money on the table, etc. Because performance anxiety is often fueled by excessive self-demands, setting and affirming reasonable trading goals through the trading day can go a long way toward reducing performance pressures.

7. Get a life. When something becomes all-important, the pressures that accompany performance increase exponentially. Traders who trade for a living and who have little else going on in their lives are especially vulnerable to performance anxiety. If trading is your whole world and trading isn’t working, it’s going to feel like your world is collapsing. By placing one’s self-esteem eggs in many baskets, traders can ensure that the inevitable drawdowns and cold periods will not disrupt their self-confidence.

I cannot emphasize strongly enough: Most traders who are convinced that they have deeply-rooted psychological problems or addictive trading patterns are actually caught in a vicious cycle of perfectionistic self-demands, increasing performance pressure, mounting anxiety, disrupted performance, and renewed self-demands to compensate for the failure. After a while, traders caught in such a cycle begin to doubt whether they will ever succeed. By addressing their problems at the source—the expectations that generate performance pressure—traders can often turn themselves around in a surprisingly short period of time.
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After many weeks another good link to store in hard disk.

My god ! unknowingly we are doing these :=

Point No 3 ( Frankly this has improved my balance sheet)

Point No 5 ( This is the part ,when after many yrs ,trading is an enjoyable
rewarding activities )
Point No 7 ( Trying these )

Reinforced by 'Saint' ,this is one of the best post ,plz take off all your Gaurds & let us truly 'introspect' ,for our own development.
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Many thanks to Saint for his great contribution.

Can anyone post the document in which all the information given in this thread are compiled?

Cheers
Abi
Hi! Abi,

Here is the link ...

http://www.traderji.com/technical-an...mpilation.html

Cheers...
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Hi Saint

Much needed tonic for Traderji.com.your posts are worth reading again and again and needs to be assimilated slowly.

Reason for not posting actively are two fold.

As of now there is no need for that. Ship seems to be sailing smoothly.Will Wait for the election year.

Secondly, rather busy in other responsibilities. But I do keep replying or attending to as may be required.

As you know I am a silly stupid little investor who has faith in country's rise. though not necessarily in the individual companies. After all these crashes, my portfolio is still in pink of health. Crazy buy and hold types. real fools.But your time frames may explain it all.

That is why to find my anchor point I read your posts and wait for it eagerly.

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Beautiful!!!!!!!

This article is an eye opener for even the experienced trader, as it reminds us of what we should be actually thinking about rather than fearing trading...
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Multiple Time Frames in Trading

One can learn about trends,one learns to correctly identify when a sideways trend breaks out into an uptrend.One learns about all the pivots and all that is required to correctly diagnose a change in trend........and yet one needs to resolve the confusion that multiple time frames offer to our mind.

As always there are few rules that beginners ought to follow:

I am not going to use words like position,swing,intraday here for the simple reason that there are so many time frames and that many traders who trade that timeframe,so not abt to go abt classifying and categorising them.

The Trader who trades the Daily charts:Meaning one who capitalises on the trend as displayed by the Daily charts.Right,.............Look at the Weekly Charts.If the weekly charts are making higher pivot highs and lows,we are in an uptrend.As we had learnt,we look for buy signals in the daily chart.Now what are these buy signals?That depends on your strategy.Here we had discussed about a stock making a higher pivot low and then taking out a previous pivot high as a buy point...........But the point being:Look at the weekly.Analyse the trend.If we are in an uptrend,entry on a buy signal on the daily chart.Exit once we get the sell signal on the daily chart.The sell signal we had discussed here:A break of a previous pivot low in an uptrend,or trailing stop,or some other method that you may have........Once again,the point being:The trade is off the daily charts,the weekly is a guide that tells us the direction that we should follow.We buy the daily,we sell the daily,we position size the daily

We do not have a sell signal on the daily,and then pacify ourselves that we have a strong weekly and it's only a pullback,and the fundamentals are good and CNBC says we are doing great.We get a sell signal,and we have the discipline to cut the trade........Why?Coz we are daily charts traders,that trade does not suddenly shift to some other time frame.

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This,for now.......more later!!

Saint


Thanks Saint

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